DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[The Don]

This sounds more idiotic every time I hear it parroted around here. As though conservatives and Republicans are a group of aspiring Supervillains.

If only they had the intelligence, talent and work ethic to become aspiring Supervillains.

Instead they're more like the jocks and mean girls in '80s high school drama films picking on the smart kids or anyone else who fails to meet their standards of "worthy" while showing a cartoonish complete lack of intelligence or empathy.

 

[Upchurch]

I’m just enjoying the irony, intentionally or not, of complaining about being treated like a stereotypical villain while simultaneously monologue-ing about the worthless, dirty under-class. Honestly, the only thing that would make it more perfect would be idly twirling a mustache with one finger.

 

[newyorkguy]

I’m just enjoying the irony, intentionally or not, of complaining about being treated like a stereotypical villain while simultaneously monologue-ing about the worthless, dirty under-class. Honestly, the only thing that would make it more perfect would be idly twirling a mustache with one finger.

My problem with this is, the poster you refer to is doing what they always seem to do. In this case, turning the thread away from a discussion of DeSantis and his policies and turning it into a thread about themselves, their feelings and the shortcomings of other posters. They find the migrants to be "nauseating," other people's positions are "idiotic." This gets repeated over and over and based on experience I doubt we can expect to see anything else.

That isn't taking part in a discussion about DeSantis and his policies, it's the opposite.

 

[Mike!]

I've been reminding everyone I know that enjoys being all up Trump's ass lately, that early in his term he was offered a deal to get his wall money, in exchange for dealing with DACA, 700,000 kids that were already here.
But the "deal maker" wouldn't do it, and as such, any problems that exist today could have been stopped there and then, and Trump could have claimed a campaign promise kept, even if Mexico didn't pay for it. Surprisingly, most seem to have never heard about it, or flat out call it a lie, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ocrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

 

[Warp12]

I've been reminding everyone I know that enjoys being all up Trump's ass lately, that early in his term he was offered a deal to get his wall money, in exchange for dealing with DACA, 700,000 kids that were already here.
But the "deal maker" wouldn't do it, and as such, any problems that exist today could have been stopped there and then, and Trump could have claimed a campaign promise kept, even if Mexico didn't pay for it. Surprisingly, most seem to have never heard about it, or flat out call it a lie, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ocrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

What does Trump have to do with DeSantis and the shouldn't-be-legal aliens that were transported to Martha's Vineyard? Or even the pathetic Dem immigration policies that the GOP is protesting with such action?

 

[Stellafane]

...As though conservatives and Republicans are a group of aspiring Supervillains.

Oh no, I would never use the word "supervillains" to describe Republicans. First, the "super" part implies an intellectual capacity they do not possess. Second, "villain" kind of soft-pedals the very real damage they do. I think it's sufficient to strip away the rhetoric and simply call them bad people who want bad things to happen to people with whom they do not agree. And I have no doubt whatsoever that future historians will consider them such, when they record all the ways Republicans of this era damaged this country. As contemporaries, our chore today is to devote ourselves to doing all we can to limit the length of that future list.

 

[Warp12]

That isn't taking part in a discussion about DeSantis and his policies, it's the opposite.

Sure it is. It is discussing the justification and motivation for his actions. These people should have been deported in the first place. The discussion of their hardship getting here is about as big a tangent as anything else. It is like saying, "we should let the bank robbers have their freedom, they traveled across 20 states to rob that bank!" These people are truly criminals, and they are being pandered to.

But yeah, liberals are just weeping for these "mistreated" migrants.

 

[Upchurch]

But the "deal maker" wouldn't do it, and as such, any problems that exist today could have been stopped there and then, and Trump could have claimed a campaign promise kept, even if Mexico didn't pay for it.

I do recall that, actually. The problem is that immigration, like abortion, is subject that conservative politicians want people to be mad at, but not actually "fix". Once the conservative position beats out, it immediately shows all the gaping problems with that position that they then need to defend but desperately don't want to defend.

DeSantis's criminal stunt doesn't land as well once you realize that he's trafficking 100% legal, but impoverished, refugees across the country like pawns in a human-sized game of chess.

 

[Warp12]

DeSantis's criminal stunt doesn't land as well once you realize that he's trafficking 100% legal, but impoverished, refugees across the country like pawns in a human-sized game of chess.

It all sits perfectly well once you realize that they very likely tried to enter this country illegally.

The symbolism of telling them to GTFO of FL is perfect. We don't want those types on our soil, is the message.

And conservative voters are going to love that thinking.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

These people are truly criminals, and they are being pandered to.

Has this been evidenced?

 

[Warp12]

Has this been evidenced?

Plenty of discussion earlier of why this is 100% true. Of course Dems will say "they have a special exception!". I don't give a damn about that. If they are crawling across the borders illegally, they are criminals, imo. They committed the same crime as Mexicans who are being deported for the same actions.

 

[Stellafane]

...DeSantis's criminal stunt doesn't land as well once you realize that he's trafficking 100% legal, but impoverished, refugees across the country like pawns in a human-sized game of chess.

This is the thing that gets me. A governor of one state selects people in another state, lies to them about where they are going and what will happen to them once they got there, and sends them to a third state. And there are people actually defending and applauding this action?

It seems incredible that the country we're talking about here is the U.S.A. How did our political behavior fall to such a disgustingly low standard? What weaknesses in our system produced the (apparently substantial) number of Americans who think this is a good idea? Sure most people are outraged, but 10 years ago something like this would have seemed inconceivable.

I wish I could understand, but all explanations inevitably boil down to the same thing: we want to get our way, and we don't care what happens to you if you don't agree with us. How have so many people grown to hate every ideal on which this country was founded?

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Plenty of discussion earlier of why this is 100% true. Of course Dems will say "they have a special exception!". I don't give a damn about that. If they are crawling across the borders illegally, they are criminals, imo. They committed the same crime as Mexicans who are being deported for the same actions.

Your post 4 says they are not illegals.

 

[Warp12]

Your post 4 says they are not illegals.

At that point I did not know the facts about the special exception made to Venezuelans who cross illegally. As I posted a couple pages back, that revelation changed my viewpoint of this whole event.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

At that point I did not know the facts about the special exception made to Venezuelans who cross illegally. As I posted a couple pages back, that revelation changed my viewpoint of this whole event.

Isn't that exception a law, thus making them legal?

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

At that point I did not know the facts about the special exception made to Venezuelans who cross illegally. As I posted a couple pages back, that revelation changed my viewpoint of this whole event.

Isn't that exception a law, thus making them legal?

ETA: Here's a link. Some reason this exception isn't legal? Appears to be a rule change authorized by law.

https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...ected-status-and-implementation-of-employment

 

[Warp12]

Isn't that exception a law, thus making them legal?

It is a suck ass law. Any reasonable person can see this. If anything, I'm surprised libs aren't up-in-arms about the massive amount of people being deported for the same crime of crossing illegally (some are, no doubt). It is a law that is unequally enforced, based upon country of origin.

"We made murder legal for Hatians. All others face the death penalty". These stupid immigration policies need to be changed, and I hope more attention is being drawn to them by stunts like DeSantis pulled.

 

[newyorkguy]

International human rights organizations urge people in places where the rule of law is compromised, where a society has become dysfunctional to the point ordinary citizens are in danger with no effective state agency to turn to, LEAVE. Leave by any means available, but leave. Even if you have to enter another country illegally...at least you're still going to be alive.

From the NPR report:

"My kids' future was very uncertain in Venezuela – that's why we wanted to leave," said Denny Velasco, a migrant traveling with his wife, Kimberly González, and their two young kids, ages 3 and 10 months. "It's not safe, you live in fear," Velasco said in Spanish. Both Velasco and González have degrees in business, and they were both working at a car dealership in Caracas. But they say the economy in Venezuela has collapsed. They could barely afford to feed their kids, and their neighborhood was overrun by gangs. NPR link

 

[sackett]

If DeSotted becomes the new face of the republican party, as is altogether fitting and proper, then good! hooooray! say I. That animal-looking SOB was born for the part.

He sure & hell isn't good for anything else.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

It is a suck ass law.

But it is a law so they are not illegal. You've been lying every time you said this since you obviously knew the facts.

Any reasonable person can see this.

I can't. It's perfectly obvious why Venezuelan's should be an exception right now.

If anything, I'm surprised libs aren't up-in-arms about the massive amount of people being deported for the same crime of crossing illegally (some are, no doubt).

No. This isn't a crime so it can't be "the same crime".

It is a law that is unequally enforced, based upon country of origin.

No it's law that is being properly enforced and includes an exception for a country.

We treat other countries differently all the time. Sometimes that has been for bad reasons but this doesn't appear to be one of those time to me.

"We made murder legal for Hatians. All others face the death penalty". These stupid immigration policies need to be changed, and I hope more attention is being drawn to them by stunts like DeSantis pulled.

The fact that you can be stupid doesn't mean that everything is stupid.