DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

The voters will decide that, I suppose. ;)

How every un-American!

The voters in the next election don't decide whether people process basic human rights. That is a settled matter of law and tradition in America.

That you could even suggest otherwise is telling.
 
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A good way to assess DeSnottis is to take a look at the people who admire him.

Yes, the likes of that.
 
Come on, Bruto. You know I am referring to their ******** country of Venezuela. I doubt many here going to dspute that label, currently.




TX and FL are like Utopias, in comparison. Then they are sent to MA, and liberals act like these people are enduring the hardship of the century. It is comical.

They were still without jobs, shelter or food in TX (they were never in FL except to be flown to MA). Hardly a "utopia".

The voters will decide that, I suppose. ;)

Sure. There are plenty of people who agree with crap politicians' crappy policies...like using human beings as pawns to further their own political ambitions.
 
They were still without jobs, shelter or food in TX (they were never in FL except to be flown to MA). Hardly a "utopia".


I find it unlikely that they were standing outside in the rain, starving, in TX. And believe it or not, even US citizens are without work. You have to get a job...you aren't gifted one automatically. The same goes for living accommodations.

You think they had it better in Venezuela? Then send them back, please.
 
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You think they had it better in Venezuela? Then send them back, please.

Well, that's arse backwards. Central Americans migrate here because they don't have it better in their home countries.

Warp, you act as though living in an impoverished country is some sort of crime which excludes someone from wanting to immigrate to the U.S.
 
Come on, Bruto. You know I am referring to their ******** country of Venezuela. I doubt many here going to dspute that label, currently.




TX and FL are like Utopias, in comparison. Then they are sent to MA, and liberals act like these people are enduring the hardship of the century. It is comical.
Sure they're scads better just about anywhere than the failed state of Venezuela, but you also pointed out (probably accurately) that they would be better off out of Texas and Florida, which is why I was careful to use the word "relative" there.
 
Sure they're scads better just about anywhere than the failed state of Venezuela, but you also pointed out (probably accurately) that they would be better off out of Texas and Florida, which is why I was careful to use the word "relative" there.


I don't think they are better off out of TX or FL for any other reason than MA is essentially a sanctuary state (not that we would deport them anyway), and now everyone will be lining up to help them after this publicity. Plus, they got a lawsuit out of it. Talk about the new American Dream!

There are plenty of thriving migrants in TX and FL, from a variety of countries, so that is not really an issue.
 
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I don't think they are better off out of TX or FL for any other reason than MA is essentially a sanctuary state (not that we would deport them anyway), and now everyone will be lining up to help them after this publicity. Plus, they got a lawsuit out of it. Talk about the new American Dream!

There are plenty of thriving migrants in TX and FL, from a variety of countries, so that is not really an issue.
So your statement, "Hell, probably better than had they stayed in TX or FL." was just hot air?

And if there is no difference between what happens in a sanctuary state and what happens elsewhere, what is the point? It's just political theater, a statement about abstractions made at the expense of people perceived as too powerless or too naive to do anything about it.

And, of course, your snide comment about how they're living the American dream because "they got a lawsuit out of it" immediately declares, without the burden of responsibility, that the content of the lawsuit is without merit. No doubt, if they win a judgment, people can line up to declare that it was stolen, just as any defeat of the right wing position these days can be nothing else.
 
Below are quotes from a news article that aired Friday on NPR. Puts a face to the migrants coming across the border in places like Eagle Pass Texas.
It was late afternoon when José Albornoz emerged, tired and soaking wet, from the Rio Grande near Eagle Pass, Texas...He took out a dry change of clothes, a small bag with his documents, some throat lozenges, and — most importantly — his smartphone. "My trip was organized and planned by Google, practically, not me," Albornoz said in Spanish, laughing. Then he turned on his phone to call his wife back in Venezuela to let her know he'd made it to Texas.

This new wave of migrants is coming largely from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua. That's significant because these migrants generally cannot be expelled under the pandemic border restrictions known as Title 42. And immigration authorities are mostly releasing them into the United States, where they can seek asylum. When migrants are released from U.S. custody in Eagle Pass, they're dropped off by bus at a former warehouse on the outskirts of town. A non-profit called Mission: Border Hope has transformed the building into a bustling way station for migrants.

"Our main purpose is to help them continue their journey," said Valeria Wheeler, the group's executive director. There are showers, and a kitchen handing out free sandwiches. There's also a counter where migrants can buy a bus ticket to San Antonio, and catch another bus or a plane to wherever they're going. She says the group moved into this space in April, after their contacts at the Border Patrol urged them to. "Actually this place was built because of the anticipation they had," Wheeler said. "They told us: 'Valeria, you will need a bigger place. There's gonna be a lot more people.' " NPR link

Venezuelan migrants Kimberly González and Denny Velasco and their children wait for a bus at Mission: Border Hope in Eagle Pass, Texas.
 

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Below are quotes from a news article that aired Friday on NPR. Puts a face to the migrants coming across the border in places like Eagle Pass Texas.


Yeah, it puts a disease-laden, poorly-vetted face on these migrants.

This new wave of migrants is coming largely from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua. That's significant because these migrants generally cannot be expelled under the pandemic border restrictions known as Title 42. And immigration authorities are mostly releasing them into the United States, where they can seek asylum. When migrants are released from U.S. custody in Eagle Pass, they're dropped off by bus at a former warehouse on the outskirts of town. A non-profit called Mission: Border Hope has transformed the building into a bustling way station for migrants.


Talk about horrible policy. They are illegals and should be deported. Nauseating.
 
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Yeah, it puts a disease-laden, poorly-vetted face on these migrants.

Your evidence for this...

Oh that's right, you saw it on Faux News...

"OMG, tHeY'rE bRiNgInG sMaLlpOx aNd LeEpRoSy To OuR cOuNtRy. :eye-poppi those dirty mudpeople are going to replace us poor oppressed white people :eye-poppi The sky is falling, the world is ending:eek::eek:

Nauseating.

Well, your attitude certainly is.
 
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This just illustrates how silly this whining is. Even though they were flown to MA (how cool that must have been for these simple folk), they still have it like 100x better than they did in that dump of a country they came from. Hell, probably better than had they stayed in TX or FL. This is just a speedbump for them. And they are suing, lol.

Seems like everyone wins in the end.

I still don’t understand why you just don’t call yourself a racist. It’s obvious and we’ve had many here before , but they were honest about it
 
These migrants are bringing diseases to a country where the GQP and MAGAchimps actively motivated millions of their ilk AGAINST the use of vaccines for a pandemic disease?? And encouraged the spread of disease by refusing to take precautions?

That's amusing. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, it puts a disease-laden, poorly-vetted face on these migrants.

Talk about horrible policy. They are illegals and should be deported. Nauseating.

Did someone apply for a job that went to a more qualified latino?

Is someone jealous of some brown folks who have better cars and houses?

Did some see an old hispanic lady use a disabled parking tag?

Maybe some latinos laughed at a joke told in Spanish as he walked by and that someone thinks they were talking about him?
 
I find it unlikely that they were standing outside in the rain, starving, in TX.

How would you know what their life in TX is like?

And believe it or not, even US citizens are without work. You have to get a job...you aren't gifted one automatically.

I've quoted and cited twice in this thread that asylum seekers cannot work legally in the US until 150 days have passed since they apply for asylum and then, and only then, can they even apply for a work permit.

And then, most of them don't speak English and many have no skills so finding even low-paying jobs is difficult.

The same goes for living accommodations.

Have you tried to rent an apartment when you have no money and no job? Good luck!
You think they had it better in Venezuela? Then send them back, please.

Better in Venezuela? No, or they wouldn't risk their lives getting here. But that's a very odd leap you made from saying they still had no shelter, food or jobs in TX to thinking they had it better in Venezuela. But you seem to think it's paradise once they get here for some reason.
 
Better in Venezuela? No, or they wouldn't risk their lives getting here. But that's a very odd leap you made from saying they still had no shelter, food or jobs in TX to thinking they had it better in Venezuela. But you seem to think it's paradise once they get here for some reason.

Someone has obviously never ventured far out of their safe, white, middle-class neighborhood and seen what wide world is really like. They should try visiting India sometime, or Vietnam, or Malawi or Madagascar, and experience what real poverty looks like (I chose those because I have been to all of them)
 
so much of anti-immigration sentiment can be summed up as "my life gets worse if your life gets better", even if the opposite is true.
zero-sum mentality is at the heart of US conservatism.
 
Someone has obviously never ventured far out of their safe, white, middle-class neighborhood and seen what wide world is really like. They should try visiting India sometime, or Vietnam, or Malawi or Madagascar, and experience what real poverty looks like (I chose those because I have been to all of them)


Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places? The point was, the US is a much better destination than the country these migrants came from. Whether you are in TX, FL, or MA. Only liberals are pretending these migrants are experiencing ultimate hardship due to the actions DeSantis. Quite the opposite is true.

You are just reinforcing my point.
 
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Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places? The point was, the US is a much better destination than the country these migrants came from. Whether you are in TX, FL, or MA. Only liberals are pretending these migrants are experiencing ultimate hardship due to the actions DeSantis. Quite the opposite is true.

To expand your horizons! To push out of your comfort zone! To make an effort to learn something about the world you live in by seeing it first hand!

You are just reinforcing my point.

No, I am giving you opportunities to show everyone here just exactly who you are.
 

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