DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[shemp]

Shipped back out in less than 48 hours! How NIMBY! One of the wealthiest areas in the US can't deal with 48 people. Imagine living in Texas.

DeSantis is a genius. I hope and pray Migrants are settled all across the US in every state. Open borders for all as it should be.

Thank you for your reporting from the Bizarro Universe of Lies.

 

[shemp]

Skipped learning anything about what happened before commenting, eh?

No, he knows the truth but, as always, he just doesn't give a ****.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Nonetheless, their basic human needs are being looked after there, housed and fed on that base... and more...

https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/...ineyard-ron-desantis-immigration/10400680002/

"Bourne Public Schools Superintendent Kerri Anne Quinlan-Zhou said Monday that the district's administrative team has been in contact with representatives from Joint Base Cape Cod regarding the migrant children."​

"Waquoit Congregational Church members have been at Joint Base Cape Cod since Friday when the 50 migrants who arrived on Martha's Vineyard unexpectedly last Wednesday were brought to the base for longer-term accommodations.

The church, in Falmouth, has brought 10 or 12 Spanish-speaking members of the community to help with translation for the people housed at the base, many of whom don't speak English"​

Cape Cod and other organizations in the region are joining forces to help the 50 migrants, including four families, who are now being housed at Joint Base Cape Cod after unexpectedly finding themselves on Martha’s Vineyard.

Alisa Magnotta, chief executive officer of the Housing Assistance Corporation in Hyannis, said her staff will work with Father Bills & MainSpring in Brockton to help figure out next steps regarding shelter assistance and permanent housing options. ​

I guess it must really chap your arse that these people are being treated with kindness and compassion by caring people. As for accommodation, this is an example of what Joint Base Cape Cod will use to house these people...

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/nafb8utn2irbkkh/Housing_Immigrants_LIB_Style.png?raw=1[/qimg]


... and this is the Trump/GOP solution
[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/oiorc9bhohofcsx/Housing_Immigrants_GOP_Style.png?raw=1[/qimg]

Not very impressive. That cage photo is from 2014 during the Obama/Biden Admin. Chain link fence enclosures have been the norm for some time in detention facilities.

These people were being treated with kindness and compassion all the way to the Bus Stop. But in the same sentence the press was told: "They'll have to go somewhere else."

Hipocrisy has been exposed and Immigration brought to the forefront of the Nation's attention. Well done DeSantis!

 

[smartcooky]

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Not very impressive. That cage photo is from 2014 during the Obama/Biden Admin. Chain link fence enclosures have been the norm for some time in detention facilities.

These people were being treated with kindness and compassion all the way to the Bus Stop. But in the same sentence the press was told: "They'll have to go somewhere else."

Hipocrisy has been exposed and Immigration brought to the forefront of the Nation's attention. Well done DeSantis!

THESE are the 2014 photos that were wrongly used..https://apnews.com/article/immigrat...allery/media:b403cb256d1b435f8aecdd226df2faa8

The photo I posted was taken by the photographer working for the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General on June 10, 2019, at Border Patrol's McAllen, Texas, station.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...migrants-worse-under-trump-advocates-n1025961

Withdraw your claim unconditionally!

 

[Upchurch]

And I would add: Desantis could have flown a bunch of migrants into an active volcano and the right-wing response would be largely the same.

"But, you know, DHS was part of it, so it's legit, right? Not just an old crappy backwards racist using brown people like pawns on a human-sized chess board. Har Har"

 

[phiwum]

I think the Migrants (or Immigrants as the case may be) should be allowed to settle anywhere they wish in the US. It's a hard sell that there is no housing or jobs available at Martha's Vineyard.

I'm certain none were expecting to be living at a Military base.

I tend to agree they should be free to settle where they wish.

They also shouldn't be tempted with lies when choosing where to live. Especially not for cynical political points.

As far as I know, they're free to leave the base, but I don't know much. I presume that none of them have friends or relatives around the Cape and they have little money, so there aren't a lot of options for where to live. Maybe they could have found friends or relatives in Texas or Florida, but ain't a lot of Venezuelan immigrants on the Cape or Islands.

As far as jobs on the Vineyard, first, I don't think that asylum seekers can work without some sort of permit (but perhaps others know better). Second, it's the off-season. I think the year-rounders pretty much fill out all the employment available in the off-season.

And as far as housing, there's not a lot of free housing on the island. The cheap housing is often taken in the winter months by the locals, in the "Island Shuffle" (shuffling from really crap housing to newly cheaper decent housing when tourists leave[1]). There may be more, but I don't know whether the immigrants could afford it.

It's an island that makes its money off of summer tourism. It's a stupid place to send immigrants unless you're just being an *******.

[1] I read about the Island Shuffle thanks to this recent kerfluffle. Don't mistake me for someone who really knows much about the Vineyard.

 

[Stout]

I'm puzzled by what you mean here. It sounds like you're saying the DHS themselves participated in moving the migrants to Martha's Vineyard. I don't see any hint that this is true. So far as I know, the only reference to DHS "participation" has to do with processing the migrants as they entered the country.

As far as what a Massachusetts attorney should know about how the DHS processes migrants on the southern border, it seems to me plausible that she can competently do her job without ever seeing such a form. I'll bet that most asylum seekers who come to Massachusetts entered the US in a different way or already with an address where they planned to stay.



Why on earth should Massachusetts do that? It's an option, sure, but I don't see that it's required for moral consistency or anything.

And, keep in mind that the sanctuary state status is a matter of a court ruling, not a legislative choice. There is no court ruling that the treatment of asylum seekers must be on par with the treatment of refugees.

Finally, no matter what MA should do, the fact is that the brochure was simply a baldfaced lie. When considering which parties aren't living up to basic moral convictions, I suppose I'd point the finger first at those who deceived the migrants in order to score political points.

What I mean is DHS has their way of doing things that I'm sure made sense to whoever wrote the policy. Those ways may not make sense to us, but they don't have to, they only have to make sense to the policy writers. Front line workers are told to do what the policy book says and they do it, collect their paychecks every second Friday and wait for retirement. Such is life in government.

Self probably can do her job well but her raging on TV about fake addresses isn't a good look and she's involved herself in the spread of misinformation. That's typical for these kinds of stories though. Initial reporting and details are clarified and collected later but at the time her take was supposed to be gospel due to her professional standing.

It matters not how MA achieves their sanctuary status. Through the courts of legislation. If you're happy with MA dipping their toes in sanctuary waters then you're happy with it. MA probably won't see many more asylees....unless this group contacts asylees remaining in San Antonio and shows them pictures of their accommodation and tells them about the $175K.

Sure beats three days in a migrant shelter then being dropped off at the bus station with instructions to "sleep here".

 

[Stout]

As far as jobs on the Vineyard, first, I don't think that asylum seekers can work without some sort of permit (but perhaps others know better). Second, it's the off-season. I think the year-rounders pretty much fill out all the employment available in the off-season.

And as far as housing, there's not a lot of free housing on the island. The cheap housing is often taken in the winter months by the locals, in the "Island Shuffle" (shuffling from really crap housing to newly cheaper decent housing when tourists leave[1]). There may be more, but I don't know whether the immigrants could afford it.

It's an island that makes its money off of summer tourism. It's a stupid place to send immigrants unless you're just being an *******.

[1] I read about the Island Shuffle thanks to this recent kerfluffle. Don't mistake me for someone who really knows much about the Vineyard.

It's actually worse than that island shuffle article. I read a story about a doctor who couldn't afford to live in MV. But, yes, it is the shoulder season with most places milking those last tourist dollars out of anyone they can before (hopefully) moving into some of that tourist accommodation for the winter. A recent influx of retirees has made this more challenging.

That church the asylees ended up at, that's actually a homeless shelter that wasn't open for the season yes. There's second one as well. The people who actually helped the migrants were the working class, not the rich people that were supposed to be targeted in this cheap stunt. They tell of making donations in the hundreds of dollars which makes me wonder if this $175K pledged will ever actually show up now that the asylees have been housed and fed.

How do I know this? I spent a couple of hours pretending I wanted to move to MV with $5000 in my wallet. I wouldn't do it, no way no how.

 

[phiwum]

What I mean is DHS has their way of doing things that I'm sure made sense to whoever wrote the policy. Those ways may not make sense to us, but they don't have to, they only have to make sense to the policy writers. Front line workers are told to do what the policy book says and they do it, collect their paychecks every second Friday and wait for retirement. Such is life in government.

Self probably can do her job well but her raging on TV about fake addresses isn't a good look and she's involved herself in the spread of misinformation. That's typical for these kinds of stories though. Initial reporting and details are clarified and collected later but at the time her take was supposed to be gospel due to her professional standing.

I think you're right that the made-up addresses on the forms were a red herring, apparently part of the rules followed at the southern border. Self probably was unfamiliar with it and mistook it for part of the mistreatment leading up to the relocation.

It matters not how MA achieves their sanctuary status. Through the courts of legislation. If you're happy with MA dipping their toes in sanctuary waters then you're happy with it. MA probably won't see many more asylees....unless this group contacts asylees remaining in San Antonio and shows them pictures of their accommodation and tells them about the $175K.

Sure beats three days in a migrant shelter then being dropped off at the bus station with instructions to "sleep here".

Perhaps the migrants are better off on the Cape, but that doesn't make what DeSantis did all right. He didn't give a damn about the migrants. His people lied to get people onto that plane in Texas, to ship them to Florida (so he could pretend that this was about immigrants in Florida) and then to a wildly inappropriate place to "settle" them. It is only fortunate that the people of the Vineyard and Cape have reacted quite positively to the unfortunate situation.

As it goes with these things, the charitable attitude would probably diminish as more immigrants come. At least, the per-person contributions would decrease.

That said, it would be great if those who are granted asylum settle around the area.

 

[phiwum]

It's actually worse than that island shuffle article. I read a story about a doctor who couldn't afford to live in MV. But, yes, it is the shoulder season with most places milking those last tourist dollars out of anyone they can before (hopefully) moving into some of that tourist accommodation for the winter. A recent influx of retirees has made this more challenging.

That church the asylees ended up at, that's actually a homeless shelter that wasn't open for the season yes. There's second one as well. The people who actually helped the migrants were the working class, not the rich people that were supposed to be targeted in this cheap stunt. They tell of making donations in the hundreds of dollars which makes me wonder if this $175K pledged will ever actually show up now that the asylees have been housed and fed.

How do I know this? I spent a couple of hours pretending I wanted to move to MV with $5000 in my wallet. I wouldn't do it, no way no how.

Good to see we agree on the point that the Vineyard was a particularly (and perhaps purposefully) bad choice. Even Falmouth, just across the Sound, would have been a lot better destination.

 

[Norman Alexander]

What I mean is DHS has their way of doing things that I'm sure made sense to whoever wrote the policy. Those ways may not make sense to us, but they don't have to, they only have to make sense to the policy writers. Front line workers are told to do what the policy book says and they do it, collect their paychecks every second Friday and wait for retirement. Such is life in government.
Self probably can do her job well but her raging on TV about fake addresses isn't a good look and she's involved herself in the spread of misinformation. That's typical for these kinds of stories though. Initial reporting and details are clarified and collected later but at the time her take was supposed to be gospel due to her professional standing.

It matters not how MA achieves their sanctuary status. Through the courts of legislation. If you're happy with MA dipping their toes in sanctuary waters then you're happy with it. MA probably won't see many more asylees....unless this group contacts asylees remaining in San Antonio and shows them pictures of their accommodation and tells them about the $175K.

Sure beats three days in a migrant shelter then being dropped off at the bus station with instructions to "sleep here".

No, it's being deliberately obtuse and wrong for the DHS to just randomly assign places and dates for immigrants that are thousands of mile away and impossible for them to attend. It's cynically undermining genuine applicants solely because they are from their home countries, have arrived at the entrepot they did, or simply have brown skin. What is this? Befehl ist befehl? That got shut down by the USA 75 years ago.

Even if SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer DeSantis hadn't flown these unwitting immigrants anywhere, it's still ****-house racist DHS policy that should have been firmly stamped out by departmental management the moment it was spotted.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

As expected, the stunt was primarily about paying back political donors with taxpayer money.

 

[Stacyhs]

That certainly is a seething post. It's no surprise that many in a certain political party share the views expressed in your post. Rather than any attempt of discussion to solve a specific issue, some would rather focus on personal attack, bigotry and ignoring the issues at hand. Bravo!

"Seething"? "Bigotry"? Hmmmm...interesting perception.

As for "discussing a specific issue" in an attempt "to solve" it your contribution has basically been:

NIMBY is going to be the new slogan for the Democrat Party.[/QUOTE]

Because Republican states are just begging for migrants/refugees to come to their states and live in their back yards, right?

How about acknowledging the picture you claimed was from Obama's time as POTUS was taken in June, 2019...well into Trump's administration?


Pssst: it's Democratic, not Democrat Party.

 

[Stacyhs]

As far as jobs on the Vineyard, first, I don't think that asylum seekers can work without some sort of permit (but perhaps others know better). Second, it's the off-season. I think the year-rounders pretty much fill out all the employment available in the off-season.

After filing an application for asylum, and then a minimum of 150 days (just under 5 months) has passed, a migrant can then file for a work permit. Until it is granted, a migrant cannot legally work. I don't know how DeSantis thinks these people could find a job in MV. But I don't think he cared if they did or not.

You may apply for employment authorization 150 days after you file your asylum application instead of waiting 365 days.
You may file a Form I-765 based on your pending asylum application 150 days after you file your asylum application. You are not eligible to receive an Employment Authorization Document (EAD) until your asylum application has been pending for a total of 180 days. The 150-day waiting period and the 180-day eligibility period, commonly referred to as the 180-Day Asylum EAD Clock, do not include delays that you request or cause while your asylum application is pending with an asylum office or with the immigration court.

https://www.uscis.gov/laws-and-poli...uant-to-court-order-in-asylumworks-v-mayorkas

 

[Blank]

This.

Immigrants should be placed in every state and jurisdiction within the US. We cannot expect 2 or 3 states to handle the current influx entirely on their own.

Funny, but I somehow think this is the exact opposite of what Abbott would want.

After all it would take away A LOT of federal jobs from Texas and cause a big loss of employment to a sector that employs people that generally support him.

 

[Lurch]

NIMBY is going to be the new slogan for the Democrat Party.

NIMBY already is the slogan of the GQP. It is why DeathSentence is shipping people out of state.

Actually, their slogan is nearer to NIMC.

 

[Lurch]

Three things:

1. Bandwagon Fallacy
The bandwagon fallacy assumes something is true (or right or good) because others agree with it. In other words, the fallacy argues that if everyone thinks a certain way, then you should, too.

2. Red Herring
A red herring is an argument that uses confusion or distraction to shift attention away from a topic and toward a false conclusion. Red herrings usually contain an unimportant fact, idea, or event that has little relevance to the real issue.

3. The fact is that in less than 48 hours 48 human beings were placed on a bus and shipped away from the area they arrived for settlement. Shameful! Doesn't really matter who one voted for, the facts in this case remain the same. There is obviously a problem somewhere that cannot be ignored.

Sure. Let's overlook the causative act of dropping these 48 people on a tiny, kind of isolated community completely unannounced, and which *was not* the place they were led to believe they were going, and up to thousands of miles from the places they had to report to in just 3 days.

Yeah, that's completely immaterial. Those darned Libs moving these folk into a more supportive situation, caring for them as they waited, is just so much more horrific.

 

[smartcooky]

Funny, but I somehow think this is the exact opposite of what Abbott would want.

After all it would take away A LOT of federal jobs from Texas and cause a big loss of employment to a sector that employs people that generally support him.

Indeed. There are over 1.4 million Federal employees in Texas, and about 1/3 of them work in jobs related to migrants and immigration. Also, Texas has about five million immigrant residents who pay more than $40 billion in annual taxes. On top of all that, Texas is currently suffering an acute labor shortage. That shortage is in jobs that Americans don't want to do, but immigrants are willing to do.

Facts need to be faced - if Texas shipped all its immigrants to other states, it loses 18% of its tax take and and public spending power. Its economy could collapse, or at least, be severely impacted. Any way you slice it, wealthy Texas get to live the privileged lives they do on the backs of immigrants.

 

[pgwenthold]

So I keep seeing republickers claiming that MV is a "sanctuary city" and so should have....given all the immigrants sent there jobs or something.

[RhetoricalQ]Do they even know what 'sanctuary city' means?[/Rhetorical]

 

[Upchurch]

So I keep seeing republickers claiming that MV is a "sanctuary city" and so should have....given all the immigrants sent there jobs or something.

[RhetoricalQ]Do they even know what 'sanctuary city' means?[/Rhetorical]

[RhetoricalA]It means the exact same thing as "woke", "CRT", and "BLM". Namely, "we don't know but we hate it and it must be stopped".[/RhetoricalA]