Merged Russian (genocidal) internal propaganda and goals about Ukraine

[Olmstead]

I mean ...

 

[Mike!]

Russia may be gearing up to intensify it's attacks on civilians.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-13

So they're just going to openly admit they're doing it rather than denying it's them?

 

[crescent]

The Russian bots and tankies and such are now really pushing the line that Ukraine is now terrorizing Russians around Belgorod. In this example they claim Ukraine bombed and orphanage.

Aleksei Ostrovsky on Twitter

College in #Perevalsk hit by #Ukraine artillery where orphans were also living

Here's another claiming damage to residential neighborhoods in Belgorod.

That's be the new thing to justify continuation of bomb and missile attacks. And sadly, they can keep ginning up that sort of crap justification forever - years, decades.

 

[Michel H]

So they're just going to openly admit they're doing it rather than denying it's them?

The BBC explains now:

Russia's military had earlier admitted hitting energy-generating targets that caused widespread blackouts affecting millions of people in eastern Ukraine last weekend.

and also:

Residents in a southern Ukrainian city are being urged to evacuate because of a risk of flooding, after missiles hit a major reservoir dam.
...
Ukraine said the strike was revenge by Russia for its recent counter-attack.

(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62910245).

So it seems that Russia, facing difficulties on the battlefield, is striking more and more civilian targets, and is beginning to admit it.

This is a dangerous development for Ukraine. My modest advice to Ukraine would be to stop their radical policies, and make some serious concessions (as I have said before: neutrality, Crimea belongs to Russia, the Donbass republics are independent, no more sanctions).

From the same article:

Water supplies have been affected by the attack, officials say - and about 600,000 people are now at risk of flooding in the centre and another district of the city, according to Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the president's office.

This seems very scary to me.

When are the Ukrainians going to open themselves to human intelligence?

Are they waiting for the total destruction of their country?

By the way, Zelensky was also involved in a car accident: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62910236 .

Apparently, insulting Russians all day long doesn't protect from car accidents. I am really surprised .

 

[Dave Rogers]

My modest advice to Ukraine would be to stop their radical policies, and make some serious concessions

We now know that Ukraine offered to make serious concessions before the murderous criminals led by Putin decided to invade anyway. Your 'modest' advice is akin to saying, "You should let the rabid dog bite one of your legs off, then see if that's enough for it not to want any more."

Dave

 

[arthwollipot]

This is a dangerous development for Ukraine. My modest advice to Ukraine would be to stop their radical policies, and make some serious concessions (as I have said before: neutrality, Crimea belongs to Russia, the Donbass republics are independent, no more sanctions).

Again, this amounts to capitulating to all of Russia's demands. **** that.

By the way, Zelensky was also involved in a car accident: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62910236 .

Apparently, insulting Russians all day long doesn't protect from car accidents. I am really surprised

A minor bingle that caused no injury.

 

[Wildy]

I was wondering when you'd show up again Michel H

I think what I like about it is how you minimise Russian war crimes and somehow still blame the Ukrainians for them.

 

[Michel H]

We now know that Ukraine offered to make serious concessions before the murderous criminals led by Putin decided to invade anyway. Your 'modest' advice is akin to saying, "You should let the rabid dog bite one of your legs off, then see if that's enough for it not to want any more."

Dave

Well, rabid dog or not (my goal here is certainly not to deliver constant praise for the Russians), my advice for Ukraine (see first replies of https://twitter.com/ZelenskaUA/status/1567182927703728129) is certainly not to tell them "Guys, let the monster devour you!". It is, rather, an invitation to take the right steps to protect themselves (and others), and stop this fighting.

Sometimes, being humble, admitting one's mistakes requires far more courage for some people that going to battle.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

If the monster attacking is trying to devour you, how are you to stop the fighting without either driving off the monster, or being eaten?

 

[Wildy]

Because everything is Ukraine's fault. Ukraine has to humble itself to Russia and accept that it can only engage with the rest of the world as a vassal of Russia, not a free and independent nation.

You view bowing to the tyrant as a courageous act even when doing so will result in your death.

 

[Michel H]

If the monster attacking is trying to devour you, how are you to stop the fighting without either driving off the monster, or being eaten?

It's very simple (in my opinion): neutrality + Crimea belongs to Russia + the Donbass republics are independent + no more sanctions.

Then I think they might be able to get a good Russian withdrawal, Russian gas and oil, peace and economic prosperity ...

 

[Michel H]

Because everything is Ukraine's fault. Ukraine has to humble itself to Russia and accept that it can only engage with the rest of the world as a vassal of Russia, not a free and independent nation.

You view bowing to the tyrant as a courageous act even when doing so will result in your death.

I see no reason why Ukraine should become a vassal of Russia. It can be just neutral and independent.

 

[trustbutverify]

Sometimes, being humble, admitting one's mistakes requires far more courage for some people that going to battle.

I agree, that's exactly what Putin's Russia needs to do, along with surrendering to Zelenskyy and pulling every soldier/child rapist out of Ukraine (including all disputed territories) so the killing can stop. Now- how do you plan on making that happen?

 

[Aridas]

Well, rabid dog or not (my goal here is certainly not to deliver constant praise for the Russians), my advice for Ukraine (see first replies of https://twitter.com/ZelenskaUA/status/1567182927703728129) is certainly not to tell them "Guys, let the monster devour you!". It is, rather, an invitation to take the right steps to protect themselves (and others), and stop this fighting.

Sometimes, being humble, admitting one's mistakes requires far more courage for some people that going to battle.

Sure. And sometimes, being humble and "admitting one's mistakes" just earns a bullet to the head, regardless of whether courage or cowardice is driving the action.

Cowardice is all I'm seeing in your recommendation, not courage.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It's very simple (in my opinion): neutrality + Crimea belongs to Russia + the Donbass republics are independent + no more sanctions.

Then I think they might be able to get a good Russian withdrawal, Russian gas and oil, peace and economic prosperity ...

That was the status quo BEFORE Russia invaded.

What makes you think that Russia would be okay with that, given that they started a war with the explicit aim of regime change in Kyiv into something pro-Russian?

If Russia just wanted what you think Ukraine should offer, they wouldn't have attacked in the first place.
But this attack was always about Russia taking control of Ukraine, nothing less.

 

[arthwollipot]

It's very simple (in my opinion): neutrality + Crimea belongs to Russia + the Donbass republics are independent + no more sanctions.

Are you going to give Putin your lunch money as well?

 

[The Don]

I have a feeling that many people in the occupied areas of Ukraine who have seen their sons, brothers, father's and friends forcibly conscripted and sent to the front poorly trained and equipped to be cannon fodder may have changed any previously positive opinions they have about mother Russia.

 

[jimbob]

Because everything is Ukraine's fault. Ukraine has to humble itself to Russia and accept that it can only engage with the rest of the world as a vassal of Russia, not a free and independent nation.

You view bowing to the tyrant as a courageous act even when doing so will result in your death.

And that would not be enough.

I'll just leave this translation of Zelensky's speech here.

Do you still think we are one people? Do you still think you can scare us, break us, force us to make concessions? Don't you really get it? Don't you understand who we are? What we stand for? What we are all about?

Read my lips: Without gas or without you? Without you. Without light or without you? Without you. Without water or without you. Without you. Without food or without you? Without you.

Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst are not as frightening and deadly for us as your friendship and brotherhood. But history will put everything in its place. And we will be with gas, light, water and food...and WITHOUT you!"

Putin no longer wants a vassal, he wants the idea of a Ukrainian identity and culture to be erased.

 

[Craig4]

The BBC explains now:

and also:

(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62910245).

So it seems that Russia, facing difficulties on the battlefield, is striking more and more civilian targets, and is beginning to admit it.

This is a dangerous development for Ukraine. My modest advice to Ukraine would be to stop their radical policies, and make some serious concessions (as I have said before: neutrality, Crimea belongs to Russia, the Donbass republics are independent, no more sanctions).

From the same article:

This seems very scary to me.

When are the Ukrainians going to open themselves to human intelligence?

Are they waiting for the total destruction of their country?

By the way, Zelensky was also involved in a car accident: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62910236 .

Apparently, insulting Russians all day long doesn't protect from car accidents. I am really surprised .

It's not Ukraine that needs to change. They just need to keep killing Russians. The more Russians they kill they more danger they put Putin in. Every dead Russian bring Putin closer to assassination or at least being deposed.

Most of the power has been restored. We can steal Russia's money in US and European banks to pay to rebuild Ukraine. They Orcs have nearly a Trillion dollars parked overseas in fiat currencies that we cant take and give to Ukraine to rebuild. I've read several legal papers that suggest ways to make it all legal.

 

[Craig4]

It's very simple (in my opinion): neutrality + Crimea belongs to Russia + the Donbass republics are independent + no more sanctions.

Then I think they might be able to get a good Russian withdrawal, Russian gas and oil, peace and economic prosperity ...

Ukraine can have that after they expel the Orcs from their territory. They already took from the Orcs parts of their country that were occupied in 2014. The filthy rats are abandoning Crimea and it will fall. Ukraine doesn't have to talk, they can just take. That's all Russia understands.