The Loony Left on war

Freakshow said:
The person I was referring to in my post thinks that the allies should have just let Hitler take over the world, because that is better that using violence to defend yourself. No, I am not kidding.
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There is nothing wrong with that view. I don't agree with it, but I think the world needs people who are strong in their convictions for peace.
 
Tony said:
There is nothing wrong with that view. I don't agree with it, but I think the world needs people who are strong in their convictions for peace.
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There is something wrong in that view. It is delusional, and following such a view would make the world a much worse place. How can that not be something "wrong with that view"?
 
Freakshow said:
Because it would allow lunatics like Hitler to run wild, with no one stopping them.
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But if enough people were nonviolent, Hitler wouldn't have been able to run wild because he'd have no armies with which to make war.

Not realistic, of course, but theoretically possible. Likewise, if nobody was a thief, we would have no need for locking doors.
 
TragicMonkey said:
But if enough people were nonviolent, Hitler wouldn't have been able to run wild because he'd have no armies with which to make war.

Not realistic, of course, but theoretically possible. Likewise, if nobody was a thief, we would have no need for locking doors.
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I don't think it is possible at all, actually. Not even "theoretically". It is about as theoretically possible that if I could just flap my arms faster, I could fly.
 
Freakshow said:
Because it would allow lunatics like Hitler to run wild, with no one stopping them.
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That doesn't address the question. By your own accout, that view is not being followed since Hitler is there starting war.
 
TragicMonkey said:
But if enough people were nonviolent, Hitler wouldn't have been able to run wild because he'd have no armies with which to make war.
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That's is exactly what I'm getting at. I was hoping that FreakShow would but down his boner for war long enough to think.

Not realistic, of course, but theoretically possible. Likewise, if nobody was a thief, we would have no need for locking doors.
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I agree, but just become something isn't realistic doesn't mean it's value as a principle is diminished.
 
Tony said:
There is nothing wrong with that view. I don't agree with it, but I think the world needs people who are strong in their convictions for peace.
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Right on, Tony. Good for you, standing up for the poor, oppressed Hitlers of tomorrow who might actually have to face armed opposition in their quest to commit genocide.

God protect me from those who would throw their fellow citizens to the wolves in the name of peace. :rolleyes:
 
Jocko said:
Right on, Tony. Good for you, standing up for the poor, oppressed Hitlers of tomorrow who might actually have to face armed opposition in their quest to commit genocide.

God protect me from those who would throw their fellow citizens to the wolves in the name of peace. :rolleyes:
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God protect all of us from people whose views on war are based on the party of the person in the White House.
 
TragicMonkey said:
But if enough people were nonviolent, Hitler wouldn't have been able to run wild because he'd have no armies with which to make war.

Not realistic, of course, but theoretically possible. Likewise, if nobody was a thief, we would have no need for locking doors.
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Oh sure, so you put all the locksmiths out of work and they have no way to support their starving families. So they turn to crime.

Whoops, there goes that idea.

All utopian philosophies end up this way, in case no one has noticed, so they have as little bearing on real life as a debate between two Trekkers on the precise wattage of the "stun" setting.
 
Freakshow said:
I don't think it is possible at all, actually. Not even "theoretically". It is about as theoretically possible that if I could just flap my arms faster, I could fly.
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Perhaps you are misunderstanding the word "theoretically". It IS theoretically possible that if you could flap your arms faster, you could fly. You might have to manage millions of flaps per second, but IF you could...that's what theoretical means. IF something, then something.
 
Tony said:
That doesn't address the question. By your own accout, that view is not being followed since Hitler is there starting war.
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I am taking a realistic view, in which I can't control every one else's actions. I'm not going to sit around and wish everyone would act a certain way. I am going to deal with reality.

The view I talked about earlier was NOT "It would be great if the Nazi's never tried to take over the world." It was "It is preferable to let the Nazi's take over the world, instead of using violence to stop them. Life under them would suck, but at least we have the comfort of knowing we never resorted to violence."

Do you see the difference?
 
Mark said:
God protect all of us from people whose views on war are based on the party of the person in the White House.
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Sorry, Mark, did you have somthing to add here? You know, like what the hell you're talking about?

Am I to understand you agree with Tony's admiration for the pacifist who stands by, comforted by his imagined superiority, while some less enlightened maniac kills nearly 12 million civilians?
 
Jocko said:
Oh sure, so you put all the locksmiths out of work and they have no way to support their starving families. So they turn to crime.

Whoops, there goes that idea.

All utopian philosophies end up this way, in case no one has noticed, so they have as little bearing on real life as a debate between two Trekkers on the precise wattage of the "stun" setting.
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I did say it was unrealistic.
 
Jocko said:
Right on, Tony. Good for you, standing up for the poor, oppressed Hitlers of tomorrow who might actually have to face armed opposition in their quest to commit genocide.

God protect me from those who would throw their fellow citizens to the wolves in the name of peace. :rolleyes:
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God protect me from morons who have sex with their sisters.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Perhaps you are misunderstanding the word "theoretically". It IS theoretically possible that if you could flap your arms faster, you could fly. You might have to manage millions of flaps per second, but IF you could...that's what theoretical means. IF something, then something.
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OK, I see what you mean. I was thinking of something that was still within the realms of possibility. Maybe very very very unlikely, but still possible.
 
Jocko said:
Sorry, Mark, did you have somthing to add here? You know, like what the hell you're talking about?

Am I to understand you agree with Tony's admiration for the pacifist who stands by, comforted by his imagined superiority, while some less enlightened maniac kills nearly 12 million civilians?
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No, understand that I am appalled by people who continue to support Bush for no better reason than he is not a Democrat. I know, you don't that. Right.
 
Mark said:
No, understand that I am appalled by people who continue to support Bush for no better reason than he is not a Democrat. I know, you don't that. Right.
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And this has to do with... what, exactly? Apart from the fact that it's not true - and you know it - it's a complete disconnect from the issue at hand.

If you want to flame with non sequiturs, Mark, there's a forum for that. I'll meet you there anytime.
 
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