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The Russian Invasion of Ukraine Part 4

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Childlike Empress said:
There is some guy who was a member of the parliament in Russia who "fled" to Ukraine who confessed that his group is behind the murder. A guy who used to work for Soros-financed "think tanks". I won't look up his name, try Google or a real search engine. The murderer, whose name I also won't look up for you (Wowk out of memory) is a member of the "National Guard" of Ukraine, which is not the military but was formed around the "Nazi" battalions to tame them a bit - obviously didn't work. The FSB has released videos where everything is documented, from her entering Russia in her Mini Cooper with her 12 years old daughter beside her, to renting an apartment in the high-rise building Dugina was living in, to several other snippets, to her attending the "Festival" Dugin was speaking at (actually more of a garden party with a temporary pavillion and maybe 100 attendants), to the time she fled Russia to Estonia in the same Mini Cooper with her daughter. She has since been seen in Vienna and, in my opinion, might be in London now where murderous thugs like her often end up.

What's missing is a video of her planting the bomb, but she obviously pulled the remote trigger knowing that Dugin wasn't in the car. Her target was his daughter.
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I'm afraid I'm going to need this verified by David Icke.
 
theprestige said:
Nobody trusts the FSB.

Appeal to authority only works when people acknowledge the authority.
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Indeed and it's not the first stupid fake by the FSB in this war.

Although the Azov ID card *was* a nicely implausible touch in this one.

Don't forget the 3 Sims that another fake Ukrainian assassination team was supposed to have had. To say nothing of the Nazi regalia.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1518810883018829824?s=20&t=iTR789B5qnXCvxrcgFsEcg



Almost as though they are deliberately unsophisticated fakes for an unsophisticated internal Russian audience, and maybe those so far down the conspiracy theorist rabbit hole that it's considered a double bluff (reality doesn't work that way)
 
Childlike Empress said:
I'm afraid nobody cares if you trust the FSB, and that video is of course only a snippet of the evidence. Confession is there, full track record is there, case is closed. I've linked to the full evidence.
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It isn't even evidence. Closest it comes is showing mini coopers with different plates and people in them with similar clothing. The image quality is bad enough that you cannot even be sure of the car color from shot to shot.

None of that means she did not do it. It just is not evidence that she did.

The license plate thing is interesting. The third plate used was supposedly as standard Ukrainian plate used to cross from Russia into Estonia. That should have raised some eyebrows at the border before she would have reached Estonian immigration.

Then there are the vehicle inspection shots. Nobody found the bomb if it was there.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Exactly. For those who are too lazy to do their own research, the creep who confessed to ordering the murder is called Ilja Ponomarjow in German transliteration, the actual murder was commited by Natalia Vovk. You can find all I described in the previously linked article, which is in German and the sources are (of course) in Russian.
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The point that flew over your head there was that the details given about how this happened are as believable as the invasion of Ukraine not being a war. The Soros part is an automatic fail to start with. Why not just go back to using the Rothschild family for the offical bogyman?
 
Doubt said:
The point that flew over your head there was that the details given about how this happened are as believable as the invasion of Ukraine not being a war. The Soros part is an automatic fail to start with. Why not just go back to using the Rothschild family for the offical bogyman?
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What's the difference? They're all reptilian Anunnaki.
 
Doubt said:
The point that flew over your head there was that the details given about how this happened are as believable as the invasion of Ukraine not being a war. The Soros part is an automatic fail to start with. Why not just go back to using the Rothschild family for the offical bogyman?
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Exactly.

I know no more about covert operations than told in the Usborne Spy's Guidebook (aimed at about ten year olds) but I am pretty sure it's considered bad practice to take your "official bad guy" documentation with you on such a convert mission if it's not needed.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I'm afraid nobody cares if you trust the FSB, and that video is of course only a snippet of the evidence. Confession is there, full track record is there, case is closed. I've linked to the full evidence.
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Russia will do what it's going to do and they'll manufacture their evidence to justify it. That's been true since before the start of the war and invasion of Ukraine. It was true when Russia occupied Crimea. The dishonesty is purely for their internal audience and their international pro-genocide supporters.

Why tell your lies here? They don't count for anything among people who see Russian lies for what they are.
 
Childlike Empress said:
I'm afraid nobody cares if you trust the FSB, and that video is of course only a snippet of the evidence. Confession is there, full track record is there, case is closed. I've linked to the full evidence.
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These are the same guys that take nerve agents to foreign countries then leave them lying around for innocent civilians to find.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Great article from Foreign Affairs about Putin's real motivation for the war. Well worth reading in its entirety.

Vladimir Putin is determined to shape the future to look like his version of the past. Russia’s president invaded Ukraine not because he felt threatened by NATO expansion or by Western “provocations.” He ordered his “special military operation” because he believes that it is Russia’s divine right to rule Ukraine, to wipe out the country’s national identity, and to integrate its people into a Greater Russia.

He laid out this mission in a 5,000-word treatise, published in July 2021, entitled, “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians.” In it, Putin insisted that Belarusians, Russians, and Ukrainians are all descendants of the Rus, an ancient people who settled the lands between the Black and Baltic Seas. He asserted that they are bound together by a common territory and language and the Orthodox Christian faith. In his version of history, Ukraine has never been sovereign, except for a few historical interludes when it tried—and failed—to become an independent state. Putin wrote that “Russia was robbed” of core territory when the Bolsheviks created the Soviet Union in 1922 and established a Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. In his telling, since the Soviet collapse, the West has used Ukraine as a platform to threaten Russia, and it has supported the rise of “neo-Nazis” there. Putin’s essay, which every soldier sent to Ukraine is supposed to carry, ends by asserting that Ukraine can only be sovereign in partnership with Russia. “We are one people,” Putin declares.​

The hilited somehow reminds me of another famous irredentist. :rolleyes:
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Resistence is futile!
Prepare to be assimlated into the Putin Collective1
 
Childlike Empress said:
While their members run around plotting and executing the murder of young woman. While using their twelve years old daughters as cover. Sounds nice. Here is the video the FSB released as evidence of Vovk being the culprit:

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OK, I watched the video. Didn't see any evidence of Vovk's guilt. Saw a Mini getting searched, saw someone- presumably Vovk- on CCTV making a phone call. Saw the Mini getting searched again. Obviously, no translations of what was going on. Saw some minis with different licence plates: could be the same car, could be different ones, very hard to tell from that video.
So, CE, did I miss the evidence part of this? What about the content of this video convinced you that the FSB have their culprit? I'm not being funny here, but, without any translation, I don't know what it is I'm supposed to be looking at.
 
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Craig4 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCjbaZsGqHw

If true, this is great news, another dead Russian general. If this many generals are dying, it likely means a lot of Colonels and below are dying too and that's great news for Ukraine and the world.
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That is very old non-news. That strike at Izyum where Gerasimov allegedly was injured (doubtful) and Simonov was killed (certain) happened months ago. Mordvichev supposed death at Chorvobaivka is more rebutted than debated.
 
Childlike Empress said:
It is almost too dumb to answer to, but the person who almost literally confessed to ordering the murder is deeply involved in the Soros networks. Which makes me, according the the ilk of "Doubt", a hater of all what, 12 million jews, because this oligarch, sorry, philanthrop, is jewish?
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If your sources uses tired, old, anti-semitic tropes, you are going to have to deal with the implications of supporting them. Whitewashing events that the FSB has no control over will result in back splash. In this case, it isn't the whitewash back splattering on you, it is the still wet blood of Russian war crimes.

In the case of Russia, anti-semitism is still surprisingly rampant. And not hard to find if you talk to people in Russia and they let their guard down. I am speaking from first hand experience here. The reliance on it by the FSB is just as bad as if the FBI decided that black people are responsible for terrorism in the US. The blind stupidity of it all on the part of the FSB is amazing.
 
#Doubt. You say the FSB is stupid, blind, clumsy, crude? Goddammit, they're a bunch of cops! They're supposed to be like that! It makes 'em more dangerous, not less!

You don't know the first thing about running a dictatorship.
 
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