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Merged Russian (genocidal) internal propaganda and goals about Ukraine

https://tass.com/politics/1473195

"An attempt to claim that Russian forces struck a shopping mall in Kremenchug on June 27 is the latest blatant provocation by the [Ukrainian President Vladimir] Zelensky regime. The Kiev regime has claimed there were some 1,000 civilians in the mall, etc. Unfortunately, all this fake news was disseminated," the Russian diplomat said at a news conference on Wednesday.
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It was Ukraine's fault for storing weapons near a shopping centre - using civilians as a human shield.

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"The Western countries could as well ask their regimes what’s the use of delivering and storing weapons and ammunition near a shopping center? It never occurred to either Western reporters, or Western NGOs and the `humanitarian activists’ who are so much concerned over the situation around Ukraine to ask this question," Zakharova remarked.
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That was defunct so presumably didn't have anyone in it.
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On Tuesday, Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov reported that the Russian Aerospace Forces delivered high-precision surgical strikes on hangars containing US-and EU-supplied weapons near a road machinery plant in Kremenchug. "The ensuing blast from the ammunition for the Western-supplied arms stored there sparked a fire at a defunct shopping mall located close to the plant," the general pointed out.
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Russian official sources claim now that the Russian withdrawal from Snake Island was "a goodwill gesture". :rolleyes:

Also:
Russia has no problem with Finland and Sweden joining NATO
“There is nothing that could bother us about Sweden and Finland joining NATO. If Finland and Sweden wish to, they can join. That’s up to them. They can join whatever they want.”
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(Translation: "Now that it is going to happen anyway, we'll pretend that we never objected to begin with.")
 
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theprestige said:
You make it sound like the citizens of war-torn Ukraine are too stupid to understand the options available to them, and make an informed decision to keep fighting.

You also make it sound like you favor appeasing terrorists.

What's wrong with fighting to stay free, if you prefer that to being a slave?
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Citizens of Ukraine actually don't need to fight to stay free, they can just give pro-Russian areas of Ukraine to Russia, which is the logical thing to do.

People sometimes do make mistakes (this is not unheard of), they are not always rational, especially in war and peace issues.

And Ukraine did make some serious mistakes in the past.

Zelensky has become the spoilt child of the West (a rather expensive one).
 
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Michel H said:
Citizens of Ukraine actually don't need to fight to stay free, they can just give pro-Russian areas of Ukraine to Russia, which is the logical thing to do.

People sometimes do make mistakes (this is not unheard of), they are not always rational, especially in war and peace issues.

And Ukraine did make some serious mistakes in the past.
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SO those areas of the Ukraine are Putin's last terrotorial demand in Europe?
SOrry, but it's clear that Putin is out to rebuild the Sovier Union.If he got those territories, within a year he would be attempting new aggresion in some form agains the Ukarine.
 
Michel H said:
Citizens of Ukraine actually don't need to fight to stay free, they can just give pro-Russian areas of Ukraine to Russia, which is the logical thing to do.

People sometimes do make mistakes (this is not unheard of), they are not always rational, especially in war and peace issues.

And Ukraine did make some serious mistakes in the past.
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Nope,. If they do then Russia will salami slice and ethnically cleanse their way across the country.

But you are a fan of it happening in the 30s and 40s so it's no surprise that you are a fan of it now.
 
dudalb said:
SO those areas of the Ukraine are Putin's last terrotorial demand in Europe?
SOrry, but it's clear that Putin is out to rebuild the Sovier Union.If he got those territories, within a year he would be attempting new aggresion in some form agains the Ukarine.
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My impression is that Putin (with his collaborators, such as Lavrov) is actually more serious than that.

Ukraine is a very, very special case, with about 30% of its population speaking Russian.
 
Michel H said:
My impression is that Putin (with his collaborators, such as Lavrov) is actually more serious than that.

Ukraine is a very, very special case, with about 30% of its population speaking Russian.
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Speaking a language does not correlate with wanting to live under the rule of that country - ask people living in the US
 
The Don said:
Speaking a language does not correlate with wanting to live under the rule of that country - ask people living in the US
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As far as I know, the US doesn't have a significant separatist problem.

But Ukraine does. There are some people in Ukraine who really want to leave, and they don't necessarily take their orders from Moscow (this seems to be mostly a spontaneous phenomenon).

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOPpUQKDbQ)
 
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Michel H said:
My impression is that Putin (with his collaborators, such as Lavrov) is actually more serious than that.

Ukraine is a very, very special case, with about 30% of its population speaking Russian.
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The United States is a very, very, very special case, with about 80% of its population speaking English. Tell us more about England's entitlement to annex some of our territory by force.
 
The Don said:
Speaking a language does not correlate with wanting to live under the rule of that country - ask people living in the US
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As soon as we run out of trees we're going to "liberate" our English speaking neighbors in Canada. But it's a secret, so don't mention anything to them.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Because everyone knows that all Canadians really want to be Americans; they've just forgotten because of British propaganda. :rolleyes:
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We even have our own extremists and regional separatists!

I'll see your two MAGAs and raise you one Truck Convoy! :boxedin:
 
Michel H said:
My impression is that Putin (with his collaborators, such as Lavrov) is actually more serious than that.

Ukraine is a very, very special case, with about 30% of its population speaking Russian.
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Most Russian speaking Ukrainians want nothing to do with being part of Russia.
 
Michel H said:
And China could decide to attack Taiwan, to weaken the US and help Russia. The US population is already not very happy about high inflation.
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Yes, they could've attacked Taiwan many many times before, this is nothing new. What is new is China may look at the response by the West on Russia's little special military operation and make the totally rational decision that a war against Taiwan will cost them far more than it will gain them.
 
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