The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

I have proved the Quran is wrong at post 3218 which I have posted before, and you have ignored it again.

THE QURAN SAYS THE SUN ORBITS THE EARTH, THEREFORE IT IS NOT FROM GOD.

Carefully read the last paragraph of my post 3218 and you will see that logic dictates the hadith says the sun orbits the earth. The hadith says if the sun is sent back on its course it will rise in the west. But the sun being sent back on its orbit in the galaxy would not make it rise in the west. It would still rise in the east. Because it is the rotation of the earth that makes the sun appear to rise.

THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THIS.

So you can stop telling us God is the author of the Quran, because we know better.

... Do not muddy the water. Maybe downstream of this creek a beautiful girl takes a sip of water to drink. The anemone is beautiful. A more beautiful day and night hug ...
In the distance is a voice calling to me: A boat must be built. You have to go somewhere else. Beyond the water is a pious person who will tell me: The best thing is to reach a look that is more than a love incident.
Man, where are you going so upset ?! calm down. calm down.

 

[Scorpion]

Hi Professor
Your look at the content is fascinating. I am only telling you the scientific facts of the verses "similar to the Qur'an". Of course updated. The updated contents of the Quran are all fascinating.
Thanks

Who are you to update the Quran when it is supposed to be Gods words?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Many months ago in this thread, I did point out that the word "and" apppears perhaps 100 times or more in the Quran ... but, look - it's reversed code actually spelling "DNA"! ... and that proves, PROVES!, that Allah had described DNA as far back as the 7th century! ... so, err ; wow

Hello dear philosopher
In Surah 50 of the Qur'an, DNA and its function in the cellular genome are stated in great detail. First of all, I would like to say that the re-creation of the whole universe, including all human beings in the hereafter, is beautifully expressed in verses 1 to 4.
In verse 2, the disbelievers say: Muhammad says a very strange thing. He says we will all be resurrected in the Hereafter! This return is very unlikely and impossible. (In verse 3 - Our body will be destroyed on earth) God answers In verse 4: We know for sure that the earth leaves nothing of your body. And you will be completely disintegrated and destroyed! But all the information about your body and life is very accurately stored in our book. We will easily recreate you with the information you save in "Mobin Book !!" (Do not doubt. We can do the impossible easily !!)
In verse 17 it says: Two intertwined strands of DNA from the left and right in the genome of your cells receive and store all your actions and words. The storehouse of our actions and words is not just the nervous system and the human brain. Rather, they receive and store this process very accurately in all cells of the body with DNA in the genome. In verse 18 he emphasizes: Every word you say and every deed you do is received and stored. And every day of our lives, the human soul sends all the information stored in the pain of the genome to the "Mobin Book".
In the Hereafter, the Book of Revelation will be opened and based on the stored information, the universe and all human beings will be recreated.
The Mobin book describes the huge hard disk of the universe.
It is very difficult to believe this in the beautiful Qur'an. But it exists in the Qur'an. Do not doubt. Although you are a professional skeptic. And you will not believe. But this is a huge challenge in front of you. There is an obvious existence. There is.
God will recreate the whole universe in the "hereafter" in two completely scientific and highly advanced ways. Human science and technology will not be able to recreate even one photon according to either of these two methods until the end of the universe !! Man will only be able to prove scientifically that these two methods exist. nothing else
And will not be able to do. God alone does the impossible. Only God
All these claims are said by God in the Qur'an. Science and technology are by no means accountable.
Goodbye
Hope to see

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Hello dear professor
It has been said many times in the Qur'an. The four-stage process of evolution in the Qur'an is related to "eukaryotes". Eukaryote is called "single soul - خَلَقَكُمْ مِنْ نَفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ " in the Qur'an 5 times. (God created you and all living things in the beginning from eukaryotes and in soil - in mud - in bad mud - in clay - in sticky clay - in hot dry pottery - in low water. Do you not think about God's creation? And you do not use your intellect?) I have said this many times in this thread. I say it again. I say it thousands of times. Because I am responsible for what I say. And I have to be accountable.
Nice to see you again

Eukaryotes are but one of the three groups of life on earth.
It's even debatable whether the majority of life on earth is eukaryotic.
If you go by diversity prokaryotes win by a lot.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Who are you to update the Quran when it is supposed to be Gods words?

My name is Saeed Heydarian Yazdali. Graduated from Occupational Health Engineering from Beheshti University of Iran. Retired senior director of HSE
..... nuclear .....
40 years master of Quran recitation and interpretation and professor in the field of updating the translation and interpretation of the Quran And researcher in the field of logic and philosophy of existence.

Goodbye

 

[heydarian saeed]

Eukaryotes are but one of the three groups of life on earth.
It's even debatable whether the majority of life on earth is eukaryotic.
If you go by diversity prokaryotes win by a lot.

Yes, exactly
I have said in previous messages that they were prokaryotes in the first place. And then eukaryotes
Thank you

 

[Scorpion]

My name is Saeed Heydarian Yazdali. Graduated from Occupational Health Engineering from Beheshti University of Iran. Retired senior director of HSE
..... nuclear .....
40 years master of Quran recitation and interpretation and professor in the field of updating the translation and interpretation of the Quran And researcher in the field of logic and philosophy of existence.

Goodbye

So you are smarter than God then?

 

[IanS]

Hello dear philosopher
In Surah 50 of the Qur'an, DNA and its function in the cellular genome are stated in great detail. First of all, I would like to say that the re-creation of the whole universe, including all human beings in the hereafter, is beautifully expressed in verses 1 to 4.In verse 2, the disbelievers say: Muhammad says a very strange thing. He says we will all be resurrected in the Hereafter! This return is very unlikely and impossible. (In verse 3 - Our body will be destroyed on earth) God answers In verse 4: We know for sure that the earth leaves nothing of your body. And you will be completely disintegrated and destroyed! But all the information about your body and life is very accurately stored in our book. We will easily recreate you with the information you save in "Mobin Book !!" (Do not doubt. We can do the impossible easily !!)
In verse 17 it says: Two intertwined strands of DNA from the left and right in the genome of your cells receive and store all your actions and words. The storehouse of our actions and words is not just the nervous system and the human brain. Rather, they receive and store this process very accurately in all cells of the body with DNA in the genome. In verse 18 he emphasizes: Every word you say and every deed you do is received and stored. And every day of our lives, the human soul sends all the information stored in the pain of the genome to the "Mobin Book".
In the Hereafter, the Book of Revelation will be opened and based on the stored information, the universe and all human beings will be recreated.
The Mobin book describes the huge hard disk of the universe.
It is very difficult to believe this in the beautiful Qur'an. But it exists in the Qur'an. Do not doubt. Although you are a professional skeptic. And you will not believe. But this is a huge challenge in front of you. There is an obvious existence. There is.
God will recreate the whole universe in the "hereafter" in two completely scientific and highly advanced ways. Human science and technology will not be able to recreate even one photon according to either of these two methods until the end of the universe !! Man will only be able to prove scientifically that these two methods exist. nothing else
And will not be able to do. God alone does the impossible. Only God
All these claims are said by God in the Qur'an. Science and technology are by no means accountable.
Goodbye
Hope to see

Re. the highlight and everything you've claimed in this entire thread - where are the published science papers confirming your claim that God described modern science in the 7th century Quran? ...

... produce the papers!

If the Quran really contained any descriptions of modern science then that would be the biggest news ever in science, and every scientist in the world would be publishing that ... so where are these scientific papers (there should be tens of thousands of them!) ...

... produce the papers, where are they?

That is THE Bottom Line, ie The End Of The Road for all of your claims - you must produce all these research papers that agree with your claims, otherwise all of published science (and that's all of human knowledge) is 100% totally against you & your religious claims ...

... where are the papers ... PRODUCE THE PAPERS!!



And while you are finding the papers, you are also months overdue for any answer to the following questions -

Q1 - why does the Quran repeat what countless other religions had already said hundreds & thousands of years before, where they also all claimed that Man was first made from "Mud"?

Q2 – why did your claims of science in the Quran, only come long after science had already explained those things to the world … why did Islamic preachers (inc. you!) never make these claims until AFTER science had already told you about it!?

Q3 – (as an explanatory example of Q2) – Darwin told the world about Evolution in 1859 … at what date did you or any Islamic ijaz writers first claim that evolution was described in the Quran, did you make the claim before 1859 or not? ….

… similarly (just to add emphasis) – Hubble described the expansion of the universe in 1929, though in fact another US astronomer Vesto Slipher had effectively shown that expansion 10 years before in 1920 (and Georges Lemaitre had also described the expansion in 1927) … so when did your Islamic writers first start to claim that the universe is expanding? … did they make that claim BEFORE 1920 to 1929, or did they only say that LONG AFTER Hubble and the others had already told everyone how & why the universe is expanding?

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian Surah 50.17 says nothing about DNA, it says the following.

Quran surah 50.17 Khalifa
Two recording (angels), at right and at left, are constantly recording.
50.17 Pickthall
When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left,
50.17 Shakir
When the two receivers receive, sitting on the right and on the left.
50.17 Sherali
When the two Recording angels record everything, sitting on his right and on his left;
50.17 Yusufali
Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his doings) learn (and noted them), one sitting on the right and one on the left.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Re. the highlight and everything you've claimed in this entire thread - where are the published science papers confirming your claim that God described modern science in the 7th century Quran? ...

... produce the papers!

If the Quran really contained any descriptions of modern science then that would be the biggest news ever in science, and every scientist in the world would be publishing that ... so where are these scientific papers (there should be tens of thousands of them!) ...

... produce the papers, where are they?

That is THE Bottom Line, ie The End Of The Road for all of your claims - you must produce all these research papers that agree with your claims ...

... where are the papers ... PRODUCE THE PAPERS!!



And while you are finding the papers, you are also months overdue for any answer to the following questions -

Q1 - why does the Quran repeat what countless other religions had already said hundreds & thousands of years before, where they also all claimed that Man was first made from "Mud"?

Q2 – why did your claims of science in the Quran, only come long after science had already explained those things to the world … why did Islamic preachers (inc. you!) never make these claims until AFTER science had already told you about it!?

Q3 – (as an explanatory example of Q2) – Darwin told the world about Evolution in 1859 … at what date did you or any Islamic ijaz writers first claim that evolution was described in the Quran, did you make the claim before 1859 or not? ….

… similarly (just to add emphasis) – Hubble described the expansion of the universe in 1929, though in fact another US astronomer Vesto Slipher had effectively shown that expansion 10 years before in 1920 (and Georges Lemaitre had also described the expansion in 1927) … so when did your Islamic writers first start to claim that the universe is expanding? … did they make that claim BEFORE 1920 to 1929, or did they only say that LONG AFTER Hubble and the others had already told everyone how & why the universe is expanding?

Hello dear philosopher
Your efforts are in vain.
I'm sorry
Sura 51 verse 47
"We raised the heavens and created them, and We constantly expand them."
وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَExpansion of the universe The Qur'an is the main source of all the sciences of the universe.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Heydarian Surah 50.17 says nothing about DNA, it says the following.

Quran surah 50.17 Khalifa
Two recording (angels), at right and at left, are constantly recording.
50.17 Pickthall
When the two Receivers receive (him), seated on the right hand and on the left,
50.17 Shakir
When the two receivers receive, sitting on the right and on the left.
50.17 Sherali
When the two Recording angels record everything, sitting on his right and on his left;
50.17 Yusufali
Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his doings) learn (and noted them), one sitting on the right and one on the left.

Sorry man
These translations are old and from 14 centuries ago. None of them talk about modern science and DNA. All rejected. My translation and interpretation that I told you has been updated. And it's absolutely right. Think better man. You accept God. Be proud.

 

[Pixel42]

Only books written in modern times can possibly talk about modern science and DNA. It's insane to imagine that a book written centuries ago would contain references to modern science. Your translations and interpretations of the Qu'ran are consequently rejected.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello dear philosopher
Your efforts are in vain.
I'm sorry
Sura 51 verse 47
"We raised the heavens and created them, and We constantly expand them."
وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَExpansion of the universe The Qur'an is the main source of all the sciences of the universe.

Verse 51.47 is as follows. These verses say nothing about expansion. If you have translated the Quran yourself it is your translation that bends the truth.

Yusuf Ali: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of space.

Pickthall : We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

Sherali: And WE have built the heavens with Our own hands, and, verily, WE have vast powers.

Shakir: And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample.

 

[IanS]

Hello dear philosopher
Your efforts are in vain.
I'm sorry
Sura 51 verse 47
"We raised the heavens and created them, and We constantly expand them."
وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَExpansion of the universe The Qur'an is the main source of all the sciences of the universe.

Right so we now have that clear - you cannot produce any genuine published science research that agrees with a single thing you have said here in all your 1000 posts!

The published science ALL AGREES THAT YOU ARE 100% WRONG AND A COMPLETE DISHONEST Ultra-Religious FRAUD.

So that is now a proven FACT.

 

[Myriad]

In verse 17 it says: Two intertwined strands of DNA from the left and right in the genome of your cells receive and store all your actions and words. The storehouse of our actions and words is not just the nervous system and the human brain. Rather, they receive and store this process very accurately in all cells of the body with DNA in the genome.

I very much doubt that's what the Quran actually says in that verse. But if it does say that, it's completely wrong. The DNA in our cells does not store actions and words. (The Flash RAM in our smart phones can, though.)

 

[IanS]

. Retired senior director of HSE
..... nuclear .....
40 years master of Quran recitation and interpretation and professor in the field of updating the translation and interpretation of the Quran And researcher in the field of logic and philosophy of existence.

Goodbye

Those are not qualifications in anything LoL. Those are just invented pure fiction "titles" that you have given to yourself ...

... it just shows that you are also someone who invents fictional fraudulent descriptions of himself as well as inventing crazy beliefs about gods, miracles and holy 7th century books.

 

[Mojo]

Do not muddy the water.

“You got to use your brain.”

 

[Mojo]

Hello dear philosopher
In Surah 50 of the Qur'an, DNA and its function in the cellular genome are stated in great detail. First of all, I would like to say that the re-creation of the whole universe, including all human beings in the hereafter, is beautifully expressed in verses 1 to 4.
In verse 2, the disbelievers say: Muhammad says a very strange thing. He says we will all be resurrected in the Hereafter! This return is very unlikely and impossible. (In verse 3 - Our body will be destroyed on earth) God answers In verse 4: We know for sure that the earth leaves nothing of your body. And you will be completely disintegrated and destroyed! But all the information about your body and life is very accurately stored in our book. We will easily recreate you with the information you save in "Mobin Book !!" (Do not doubt. We can do the impossible easily !!)
In verse 17 it says: Two intertwined strands of DNA from the left and right in the genome of your cells receive and store all your actions and words. The storehouse of our actions and words is not just the nervous system and the human brain. Rather, they receive and store this process very accurately in all cells of the body with DNA in the genome. In verse 18 he emphasizes: Every word you say and every deed you do is received and stored. And every day of our lives, the human soul sends all the information stored in the pain of the genome to the "Mobin Book".
In the Hereafter, the Book of Revelation will be opened and based on the stored information, the universe and all human beings will be recreated.
The Mobin book describes the huge hard disk of the universe.
It is very difficult to believe this in the beautiful Qur'an. But it exists in the Qur'an. Do not doubt. Although you are a professional skeptic. And you will not believe. But this is a huge challenge in front of you. There is an obvious existence. There is.
God will recreate the whole universe in the "hereafter" in two completely scientific and highly advanced ways. Human science and technology will not be able to recreate even one photon according to either of these two methods until the end of the universe !! Man will only be able to prove scientifically that these two methods exist. nothing else
And will not be able to do. God alone does the impossible. Only God
All these claims are said by God in the Qur'an. Science and technology are by no means accountable.

Spherical nonsense.

 

[Mojo]

Sorry man
These translations are old and from 14 centuries ago. None of them talk about modern science and DNA. All rejected. My translation and interpretation that I told you has been updated.

Exactly. You are distorting the Quran to fit more recent discoveries. If the Quran was the perfect work you claim it is, it would state all these facts clearly, without all the scope for ambiguities and mistranslations.

Surely a supreme bring would be able to express themselves clearly!

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Yes, exactly
I have said in previous messages that they were prokaryotes in the first place. And then eukaryotes
Thank you

And still wrong.

Prokaryotes and Archae have a similar ancestor.
Eukaryotes are a split off of archae in which in some cases prokaryotes were introduced via endosymbiosis.

But that's ok, I'm sure you will torture the fairy tale you worship to in some way have always said this even though the literature explaining this contains more words than your holy book.