The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Funny how so many will proclaim this committee bipartisan...but screech about the SCOTUS imbalance. Pretty zany stuff. I guess it is hard to see partisanship clearly when the balance is tipped in one's favor.

The Supreme Court is viewed as partisan not because of the imbalance of political affiliations on the bench, but because the conservative majority explicitly pushes a conservative agenda.

You see how that works?

No one is arguing that the Supreme Court is both partisan and fair, because that would be nonsense.

But that’s exactly what you’re doing regarding the January 6th investigation.
 
You must have missed the part where I stated I was done with the partisanship debate. Sorry, Johnny Karate...time stands still for no man.

There’s been no debate. Just you making a nonsensical claim and then cowardly slinking away instead of substantiating it with anything resembling rational thought.

However, your concession is noted.
 
Whether every detail you have provided is verifiable or not, I appreciate you posting your views and information. It gets tiresome listening to the same drivel and groupthink on these issues.

You’re praising the contribution of a conspiracy theorist.

That political bias you’re implying exists on the January 6th committee? This is what actual political bias looks like: Praising a goofball conspiracy theory devoid of factual content because it fits within your predetermined ideological beliefs.

As always with conservatives, every accusation is a confession.
 
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... But, you are just driving home another point I made...Dems are reluctant to admit the obvious partisanship because they are afraid it will invalidate the findings in the eyes of some.

Yeah—no.

First off, those dismissing the committee's findings are pretty much Rump cult members. It's bizarre how they buy obvious lies about the stolen election in the face of the evidence which continues to grow. They have to be living in bizarro world where one believes the election was stolen
despite charges being dismissed by multiple judges including some appointed by Rump,
despite multiple people in Rump's inner circle testifying before the committee like Rump suck-up Barr that the election wasn't stolen,
despite officials denying the election was stolen in state after state where the supposed massive fraud occurred,
despite millions of dollars invested in a 'ninja' recount in AZ that found no significant fraud,
and despite evidence Rump had been planning his little coup attempt since the election.​

Only a few of those cult followers are going to accept reality. The people these hearings are meant to address are all the people who haven't really been paying attention. The public hearings are intended to spell it out for those people who know about the accusations against Rump but might be chalking it up to a politically motivated investigation.

There were real crimes committed here. It wasn't a crowd of protestors who got out of hand. Some of them had weapons stored across the river in a hotel they expected to retrieve and use if a gun battle ensued. There was a plan to nullify the votes in a number of states. Rump and his buddies had a multi-pronged approach to overturn the legitimate election result.

I could go on and on. The bottom line, the political party committee members are in doesn't matter. The evidence is overwhelming. There is one political motive and that is to convince enough of the public so they put pressure on the DoJ (namely Garland) to take the very huge step of actually prosecuting the ex-POTUS.

That's not going to be an easy decision for Garland. What's also going to help are the state prosecutions already underway against Rump for financial and tax fraud in NY and attempting to coerce Raffensberger to illegally alter Georgia's election outcome.

These are historical events. You can post that we in the thread are all partisan hacks. You can think it's funny we've tried to correct you. You keep repeating the committee is partisan aka biased. But the evidence is overwhelming here regardless of who is on the committee. As much as you think it's funny people are replying to your posts, the joke's on you. We don't really care what you think.
 
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Funny how so many will proclaim this committee bipartisan...but screech about the SCOTUS imbalance. Pretty zany stuff. I guess it is hard to see partisanship clearly when the balance is tipped in one's favor.
The current SCOTUS makeup isn't just partisan, it is extremely partisan. Most Republicans don't want to see Roe overturned. And an awful lot of them aren't going to like the SCOTUS completely devastating regulatory bodies as they might do if a particular case currently before a lower court dismissing the regulatory authority of the SEC gets to them.

Anyway, not to get too far OT here, the bottom line is your analogy is a fail because the court is so far right not all the GOP agrees with them.
 
Not to mention that the spouse of one judge was and still actively trying to overturn an election - any judge nominated by a democrat would have resigned long ago.
 
Bad analysis, in this case.

The committee is partisan for the same reasons that any politically lopsided committee would be. If they were investigating parsnips and pomegranates it would be the same. Their interests, at least secondarily, are to undermine the other party.

It’s not the fault of Democrats that Republicans perpetrated an insurrection in an attempt to overturn an election. To the degree that this investigation undermines Republicans is a direct result of their own culpability, not anything that Democrats are orchestrating.

As I say, judge the committee on the results. But don't try to claim it isn't partisan.

I’m claiming it’s not partisan. And unless you can formulate a better argument than this one, I see no reason to think otherwise.
 
And yet.

Many people committing crimes on Jan 6 believed that they were patriots and not criminals.
But the objective fact that they were criminals resulted in many going to jail.

Why would anyone think beliefs are more important than facts. Except in very, very limited circumstances.

Because they've weaponized 'intent' the same way they've weaponized 'civil discourse' and 'benefit of the doubt'.

If I stab someone in the stomach, I shouldn't be able to avoid arrest or conviction just by claiming that I sincerely believed I was saving them from a burst appendix. Yet that has been the sticking point on many of the crimes. Even when they say things that show what their intention is, if they don't write it down somehow that has mattered. See the Trump's obvious tax fraud and defrauding lenders.

They base their model of reality on 'the feels'. They really believe all they have to do is say magic words and get out of insurrection free. They've seen it work for their leader not just with criminal cases, but with two impeachments. They think this is how others operate to; willing it into existence. That's why they see talking about racism as being the real racism. Why statues are real history while actual History books are not. Why climate change isn't real until the liberals make it happen.

They think only they deserve this power, or their cargo cult understanding of it. 'Fair' is anything for them, 'unfair' is anything against them. Consistency? Doesn't matter, that's for thinkers, those elites unlike the rich lawyers they elect.

All they need is to believe the election was stolen and then it's true.
 
Yes. What people believe is more important than what is actually true. I don't think that is even debatable. This is very clear when it comes to claims of election fraud, obviously.
What you have just said, whether you realize it or not, is that truth itself is partisan. You have produced a perfect situation in which the proliferation of lies by one party is an excuse not to condone the pursuit of truth by any.
 
Bad analysis, in this case.

The committee is partisan for the same reasons that any politically lopsided committee would be. If they were investigating parsnips and pomegranates it would be the same. Their interests, at least secondarily, are to undermine the other party.

As I say, judge the committee on the results. But don't try to claim it isn't partisan.
It may be lopsided, but that is exactly because the advocates of crime and lies refused to join it. The argument that it is partisan is circular. You have even fallen into the trap of observing that the Republican members of the committee aren't true Republicans, because they did not decline membership in the committee, so that bipartisanship becomes redefined as partisan anyway!

If truth is partisan, all attempts to get at the truth are, by definition, partisan. When a cop shoots a fleeing criminal, it can be called partisan too, but it's a bad choice of words.
 
If truth is partisan, all attempts to get at the truth are, by definition, partisan.

The unfortunate situation today (and not just in the US) is that reality itself has become partisan. This has always been true to some extent, but it's becoming more and more a serious problem IMO.
 
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Whether every detail you have provided is verifiable or not, I appreciate you posting your views and information. It gets tiresome listening to the same drivel and groupthink on these issues.

Yes, we need some lies to balance things off.


There are more than enough lies presented and accepted on this forum. I was referring to viewpoints that deviate from the usual, though.

I find the alternate viewpoints refreshing, even if some may scoff at them. I say, keep them coming.
 
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There are more than enough lies presented and accepted on this forum. I was referring to viewpoints that deviate from the usual, though.

I find the alternate viewpoints refreshing, even if some may scoff at them. I say, keep them coming.

There are alternate viewpoints and there are verifiable lies. What mikegriffith1 has presented is a verifiable lie not an alternate viewpoint. But I note your support for posting lies.
 
...That's a confirmed lie. There was no such order.

The problem seems to be that someone is taking lies meant to keep stupid Trump supporters in line -- which, let's face it, requires an extremely low bar of credibility since they'll swallow anything that supports what they want to believe -- and trying to apply it to win an argument against the skeptical. It's like trying to use an office fire extinguisher to put out a runaway core nuclear meltdown -- never going to work, never ever meant to work.
 
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There are alternate viewpoints and there are verifiable lies. What mikegriffith1 has presented is a verifiable lie not an alternate viewpoint. But I note your support for posting lies.

That's fine. I'd rather see the claim and validate it myself...as opposed to relying on the forum congregation to tell me what has merit and what doesn't.

The last place I'm searching for truth is in an echo chamber, here or elsewhere.
 
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Isn’t W already on record as saying what people believe is imortant.

He is right there; of course what people beleive is important. It determins their actions and behavior.
Problem is, of course he sees nothing wrong with it when it's very dangerous.
 
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