The Jan. 6 Investigation

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The problem here, as it so often is to some who look at it, is that the events in question and the facts about them are inherently partisan. The whole point of the insurrection was to be partisan in the extreme, the result of a policy of crimes and lies perpetrated by a significant portion of a single party. So those representing the crimes and lies under investigation refused to participate in the investigation of the crimes and lies, and now sanctimoniously declare the resulting investigation partisan, because the advocates of crimes and lies are not equally represented.

Well, yeah, duh. If the policy of your side is to deny truth, the quest for truth will always be partisan. That's not a flaw.


Bad analysis, in this case.

The committee is partisan for the same reasons that any politically lopsided committee would be. If they were investigating parsnips and pomegranates it would be the same. Their interests, at least secondarily, are to undermine the other party.

As I say, judge the committee on the results. But don't try to claim it isn't partisan.
 
Bad analysis, in this case.

The committee is partisan for the same reasons that any politically lopsided committee would be. If they were investigating parsnips and pomegranates it would be the same. Their interests, at least secondarily, are to undermine the other party.

As I say, judge the committee on the results. But don't try to claim it isn't partisan.

The Results will hopefully be suspending the Insurrection act between the Election and the swearing in Of the New president, preventing any Idiot President from either party starting America's First Dictatorship.
 
LOL, imagine the hill you chose to die on is "The committee is partisan" but with every new post you make it becomes more clear that you did not even understand what partisan means. Pretty weak and embarrassing.
 
Partisan blindness is on full display here. Of course. Of course. Schumer and Pelosi did absolutely nothing wrong. Not one thing. At worst, they merely made honest mistakes. But Trump. Oh, Trump should be jailed for years, even though he never publicly called for violence but urged that protests be peaceful and even though he approved the use of 20,000 NG troops to help guard the Capitol.

If those troops had been used, there would have been no storming of the Capitol. The storming protestors would have been outnumbered 10 to 1 by NG troops alone. They would have never gotten inside the building.

I guess one must assume that Schumer's aide never told him about the FBI intel. Right. You bet. If so, has Schumer summarily fired that aide? By what rationale could that aide have taken it upon himself to sit on such crucial intel? The logical assumption is that the aide advised Schumer of the intel, and if that's the case, Schumer surely should explain why he did nothing about it.

And what excuse is there for Pelosi's refusal to allow NG troops to be used to guard the Capitol, even after Trump had approved their use? Even if this was just an innocent mistake, it was an act of appalling incompetence. With all the warnings that Pelosi was getting from police sources, she still refused to allow troops to help guard the Capitol. Even assuming this was just a bad decision with no ill intent, it was still a baffling blunder, especially given the fact that she kept NG troops around the Capitol for five months after the riot, even after it became clear there was no need for them. Should somebody who displayed such bad judgment on such a vital issue be Speaker of the House?
 
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Partisan blindness is on full display here. Of course. Of course. Schumer and Pelosi did absolutely nothing wrong. Not one thing. At worst, they merely made honest mistakes. But Trump. Oh, Trump should be jailed for years.

I guess one must assume that Schumer's aide never told him about the FBI intel. Right. You bet. If so, has Schumer summarily fired that aide? By what rationale could that aide have taken it upon himself to sit on such crucial intel? The logical assumption is that the aide advised Schumer of the intel, and if that's the case, Schumer surely should explain why he did nothing about it.

And what excuse is there for Pelosi's refusal to allow NG troops to be used to guard the Capitol, even after Trump had approved their use? Even if this was just an innocent mistake, it was an act of appalling incompetence. With all the warnings that Pelosi was getting from police sources, she still refused to allow troops to help guard the Capitol. Even assuming this was just a bad decision with no ill intent, it was still a baffling blunder, especially given the fact that she kept NG troops around the Capitol for five months after the riot, even after it became clear there was no need for them. Should somebody who displayed such bad judgment on such a vital issue be Speaker of the House?

Schumer didn't have the power Mitch McCoverup did, and he didn't want the National Guard Embarrassing his Treasonous GOP Senators, in the Senate, he wanted to keep control the 2020 elections weren't over yet.
 
Partisan blindness is on full display here. Of course. Of course. Schumer and Pelosi did absolutely nothing wrong. Not one thing. At worst, they merely made honest mistakes. But Trump. Oh, Trump should be jailed for years, even though he never publicly called for violence but urged that protests be peaceful and even though he approved the use of 20,000 NG troops to help guard the Capitol.

If those troops had been used, there would have been no storming of the Capitol. The storming protestors would have been outnumbered 10 to 1 by NG troops alone. They would have never gotten inside the building.

I guess one must assume that Schumer's aide never told him about the FBI intel. Right. You bet. If so, has Schumer summarily fired that aide? By what rationale could that aide have taken it upon himself to sit on such crucial intel? The logical assumption is that the aide advised Schumer of the intel, and if that's the case, Schumer surely should explain why he did nothing about it.

And what excuse is there for Pelosi's refusal to allow NG troops to be used to guard the Capitol, even after Trump had approved their use? Even if this was just an innocent mistake, it was an act of appalling incompetence. With all the warnings that Pelosi was getting from police sources, she still refused to allow troops to help guard the Capitol. Even assuming this was just a bad decision with no ill intent, it was still a baffling blunder, especially given the fact that she kept NG troops around the Capitol for five months after the riot, even after it became clear there was no need for them. Should somebody who displayed such bad judgment on such a vital issue be Speaker of the House?

You, like always, are wrong. The punishment for high treason is death. And you would agree with me instantly had the traitors been masked Antifa. Well, at least Ashley Babbit got what she deserved.
 
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Bad analysis, in this case.

The committee is partisan for the same reasons that any politically lopsided committee would be. If they were investigating parsnips and pomegranates it would be the same. Their interests, at least secondarily, are to undermine the other party.

As I say, judge the committee on the results. But don't try to claim it isn't partisan.

Charges of partisanship are irrelevent to the facts of the case. As long as factual events are the focus, and their potential to be taken up by the DoJ remains intact and credible, partisan or not, the legal repercussions matter, the work being done matters, and making the public aware of the facts as they reveal themselves matters. That said, as pointed out, Republicans had ample opportunity to be members of the committee, but most rejected the investigation itself as motivated solely by partisanship, not by events.

And for "good" reason: Seems there was indeed a coordinated coup attempt. Rather important. More than an email scandal, it is a constitutional crisis and represents an existential threat to democracy, if one is to heed, oh, say, the majority of independent constitutional scholars and historians who have spoken on the matter. More importantly, however, is the hyper-partisan reaction to such factual revelations by the GOP, indicating that constitutional due diligence is not their thing anymore, Nixon being an object lesson in its political costs. Indeed, it goes deeper. The frequently heard strident claim that "the US is a republic" seems to be pitchfork semantics* for "rightfully Republican", while threats to "democracy" are now welcomed as "sticking it to the Dems", language having been properly debased by design, "democracy" now being something only Democrats and other extremists, such as supporters of univeral suffrage, care about. What's important now, in effect, is to protect and continue the Trump-sullied SCOTUS attack on all rights not pertaining to White men.

*Pitchfork semantics: Refers not to a shared common understanding, but to an alternate reality created out of whole cloth for the sole purpose of rebuttal, including the consequent inevitable contradictions inherent to ad-hoc reasoning. Relies on misuse of alternative definitions of same words in place of the most common definition, such as in the case of "socialism".
 
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One thing I found interesting was that the chant seemed to have started out as "Bring out Pence!" and morphed into "Hang Mike Pence!" I think I can still hear people shouting the first thing at the second part, now that I'm aware of it. Of course, there was a mock gallows so that certainly inspired the second phrase.

Or it could just be the McGurk effect. (or more accurately -- the Laurel/Yanney effect).
 
Much like the definition of "compromise" in the modern Republican Party has become "do everything we want and smile while doing it", it's clear that the definition of "partisan" has become "we aren't in complete control with freedom to reach the conclusion we want."
 
Anyway, I'm done with the partisanship debate. Have the networks lined up any live entertainment for this totally low-key and non-political prime-time mini-series?

January 6 Hearings: Scheduled Dates, Who’ll Be Testifying & Livestream Link
https://deadline.com/2022/06/how-to-watch-january-6-hearings-online-tv-schedule-1235040755/
You just can't resist taking inept swipes at the committee.

Given the circumstances -- a violent attempt to overturn democracy by an unhinged POTUS -- "low key" is an absurd expectation.

And given that the events were political, and that congress is a political body, bleating about politics is beyond absurd. It's flat-out asinine.
 
Yes. What people believe is more important than what is actually true. I don't think that is even debatable. This is very clear when it comes to claims of election fraud, obviously.

And yet.

Many people committing crimes on Jan 6 believed that they were patriots and not criminals.
But the objective fact that they were criminals resulted in many going to jail.

Why would anyone think beliefs are more important than facts. Except in very, very limited circumstances.
 
Much like the definition of "compromise" in the modern Republican Party has become "do everything we want and smile while doing it", it's clear that the definition of "partisan" has become "we aren't in complete control with freedom to reach the conclusion we want."

Yep.
 
. . . . And given that the events were political, and that congress is a political body, bleating about politics is beyond absurd. It's flat-out asinine.

Partisan = political = biased = false = WE WIN!
 
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I didn't loudly proclaim there to be a "problem". I made a brief comment...a snickering observation. But we now have 4 or 5 pages of saltiness from people unable to accept a difference of opinion. And, even within that, there are others who agreed with my initial observation, which was quite innocuous.

Claiming that the investigation is “highly partisan” is very much a claim that there’s a problem with it.

If you’re now claiming that there is no problem, then what specifically do you mean when you say that the investigation is “highly partisan”?
 
I think we should dismiss or accept findings based upon their individual merit. As I have already clearly stated, a partisan committee can still uncover pertinent facts.

But, you are just driving home another point I made...Dems are reluctant to admit the obvious partisanship because they are afraid it will invalidate the findings in the eyes of some.

“Partisanship” has a negative connotation. It means there’s a problem.

To what problem with the investigation are Dems unwilling to admit?
 
Claiming that the investigation is “highly partisan” is very much a claim that there’s a problem with it.

If you’re now claiming that there is no problem, then what specifically do you mean when you say that the investigation is “highly partisan”?


You must have missed the part where I stated I was done with the partisanship debate. Sorry, Johnny Karate...time stands still for no man.
 
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