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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

FIREs update on the case where a Professor was being 'investigated' for use of 'triggering' material.


Result, the only two people could be bothered to join the 'investigative committe', could not agree...


Amid a controversy last month over whether popular writing professor Aneil Rallin’s sex-related reading assignments were too “triggering” to teach, Soka University of America suggested its “Faculty Adjudication Committee” would review the issue and reach a just result.

“The university relies on the determination and recommendations of the faculty in these cases,” a Soka spokesperson told Inside Higher Ed in May after FIRE warned the school not to punish Rallin for classroom instruction clearly protected by academic freedom. “We will await the output of the faculty adjudication committee’s review and recommendations.”

But just two people on that committee showed up to vote. And they couldn’t agree.

Now, in a clear affront to basic fairness, the tie-break goes back to Soka’s Interim Dean of Faculty, Michael Weiner, who first launched the investigation into Rallin’s course content. Weiner will make a recommendation to Soka’s president, who will have the final say.


https://www.thefire.org/soka-profes...-decision-from-faculty-committee-of-just-two/
 
Some kerfuffle over a re-tweet of a sexist joke has resulted in one reporter being suspended for one month without pay and admonished, and eventually another reporter was outright fired for publicly feuding with colleagues and her bosses.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/09/media/felicia-sonmez-washington-post/

I don't know whether "cancel culture" is the right word for this. After a certain point, if you're going to be stubbornly insubordinate, you will get yourself fired.
 
Been there, done that

That is your definition then, a call for someone to be fired? (Why I didn’t ask another member a question has nothing to do with the question I asked you.)
I provided my definition months ago.
 
Georgetown's inconsistency

Your point 2 was “Two, neither Shapiro nor anyone else could function under these terms.”

If your point was correct or even substantially correct they would have no or next to no faculty, that they do demonstrates that other people could and do function under those terms.
No, Georgetown's rule for Mr. Shapiro was different from everyone else.
 
Sometimes I actually wonder who is worse: The ultra trolly and agressive right winger or the confused centrist who will invest a lot of energy to defend the trolly right winger...
 
I provided my definition months ago.

This is rather puzzling, when asked why your criticism wasn't an example of the very cancel culture you are railing against. You said:

"I did not call for anyone to get fired...."

How can I interpret your response as to mean anything other than to be an example of the cancel culture you rail against one must call for someone to be fired?

If you are now saying that a call for someone to be fired isn't part of your definition of cancel culture fair enough but it does mean you did not answer the question you quoted.

Why is your criticism or call it behaviour not an example of cancel culture?
 
No, Georgetown's rule for Mr. Shapiro was different from everyone else.

Georgetown ruled that Shapiro's tweet was made before he was an employee, so they wouldn't punish him for it. You seem to believe that they rather should have said that they would never investigate any actions he made once he became an employee, which certainly would have been a different rule than anyone else faced.
 
hostilty or aversion

Georgetown ruled that Shapiro's tweet was made before he was an employee, so they wouldn't punish him for it. You seem to believe that they rather should have said that they would never investigate any actions he made once he became an employee, which certainly would have been a different rule than anyone else faced.
No, that is a complete mischaracterization of what I have been saying. Here is a paragraph from Mr. Shapiro's letter: "Third, under the reasoning of the IDEAA Report, none of this objective textual analysis even matters. As the report put it, “The University’s anti-harassment policy does not require that a respondent intend to denigrate or show hostility or aversion to individuals based on a protected status. Instead, the Policy requires consideration of the ‘purpose or effect’ of a respondent’s conduct.” According to this theory, the mere fact that many people were offended, or claimed to be, is enough for me to have violated the policies under which I was being investigated. Although there was no formal finding of a violation because of the procedural fact that I wasn’t an employee when I tweeted and so not subject to those policies, so long as some unstated number of students, faculty, or staff claim that a statement “denigrates” or “show hostility or aversion” to a protected class, that’s enough to constitute a violation of Georgetown antidiscrimination rules. The falsity of such a claim is immaterial to being found guilty. Georgetown has adopted what First Amendment jurisprudence describes as an impermissible “heckler’s veto.”"

The key word is "effect." Scott Greenfield wrote, "Having already been demonized beyond repair, the ironically subconstitutional notion that any future offense would be determined based not on what was objectively said or intended, but on whether anyone claimed to be offended, harmed or traumatized by it, made his demise essentially inevitable."

By the standard set forth in the IDEAA report, Professor Feldblum's tweet and especially Professor Fair's tweet are ripe for a finding regarding these antidiscrimination rules.
 
No, that is a complete mischaracterization of what I have been saying. Here is a paragraph from Mr. Shapiro's letter: "Third, under the reasoning of the IDEAA Report, none of this objective textual analysis even matters. As the report put it, “The University’s anti-harassment policy does not require that a respondent intend to denigrate or show hostility or aversion to individuals based on a protected status. Instead, the Policy requires consideration of the ‘purpose or effect’ of a respondent’s conduct.” According to this theory, the mere fact that many people were offended, or claimed to be, is enough for me to have violated the policies under which I was being investigated. Although there was no formal finding of a violation because of the procedural fact that I wasn’t an employee when I tweeted and so not subject to those policies, so long as some unstated number of students, faculty, or staff claim that a statement “denigrates” or “show hostility or aversion” to a protected class, that’s enough to constitute a violation of Georgetown antidiscrimination rules. The falsity of such a claim is immaterial to being found guilty. Georgetown has adopted what First Amendment jurisprudence describes as an impermissible “heckler’s veto.”"

The key word is "effect." Scott Greenfield wrote, "Having already been demonized beyond repair, the ironically subconstitutional notion that any future offense would be determined based not on what was objectively said or intended, but on whether anyone claimed to be offended, harmed or traumatized by it, made his demise essentially inevitable."

By the standard set forth in the IDEAA report, Professor Feldblum's tweet and especially Professor Fair's tweet are ripe for a finding regarding these antidiscrimination rules.


We are well aware that people who have been held accountable for their actions are upset with that. You, and Shapiro, seem to think it unjust to consider the effect of an action when judging that action. Why? Do you think that a professor specifically saying black women are lesser would or should have no effect?
 
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By the standard set forth in the IDEAA report, Professor Feldblum's tweet and especially Professor Fair's tweet are ripe for a finding regarding these antidiscrimination rules.

And so? Seriously what is the point you are trying to make about why this is another example of cancel culture?

Plus of course still want to know why what you are doing is not cancel culture?
 
I pay for their services.

I hate to break it to you, but that doesn't give you a voice in how they run their business. Just because you buy a burger at McDonald's doesn't mean you get to dictate hiring and firing practices to them.

You, of course, have the option to no longer patronize their business and let them know why, but I think I read somewhere that might be "cancel culture".
 
And? What point are you trying to make?


That the tools of the censor once established can be used by anyone. The target in this case is 'Woke', the prosecutors are not.



And, they have been subjected to the kind of 'Process Due' the Woke love, the person making the final call on if the accused is guilty is the accuser.
 
Not strictly 'Cancel Culture' but an interesting dynamic. To summarize, Dave Weigel a reporter at the Washington Post, retweeted a poor taste joke and was censured, suspended, apologised, etc.


Another reporter at the Post, Felicia Sonmez (Looks White, but claims to be LatinX.) launched a twitter crusade against Weigel and anyone who defended him.


She's now been fired from the Washington Post for:


“... misconduct that includes insubordination, maligning your co-workers online and violating The Post’s standards on workplace collegiality and inclusivity.”


The full NYT article is quite fascinating.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/business/media/felicia-sonmez-washington-post.html


Also worth looking at is Jerry Coyne's commentary.



https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022...-for-retweeting-a-joke-even-after-an-apology/
 
That the tools of the censor once established can be used by anyone.

That's absolutely ridiculous. The tools of censorship are only available to those with power over others. I can't be censored by just any random person. I can only be censored by someone in a position of authority.

And this whole "cancel culture" freakout is primarily fueled by people in positions of authority feeling their power over the hoi polloi slipping away.
 
I don't know whether "cancel culture" is the right word for this.

It's called "high school." Or, more specifically, an especially toxic Yearbook Club.

Somebody retweeted a witless joke, deleted it, apologized, was suspended without pay for a month, but that still wasn't enough. Jesus ******* Christ.

Did WaPo have punishment criteria for social media transgressions or did they come up with them on the fly? If they suspended Weigel for a week (or less), then maybe they could have suspended Sonmez for a month (or less). The only winners are the people desperate for Twitter drama and the lawyers.
 
That is what at least one pundit and one blogger thought he meant, including one who agreed with you that the premise was wrong, and their articles have already been linked here. I am not sure that David Bernstein was, and he makes it clear how and where he draws a line. It is not what I wish Mr. Shapirl meant; it is what I thought he meant. I am still struggling with how anyone could read it any other way.

What he meant is open to argument. What he said is not.
 

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