Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

[TurkeysGhost]

Take all emotions off the table and put the big "Lookit me I'm a faux-autistic emotionless Vulcan Robot hardy har" persona on and pretend to look it as purely utilitarian cost-benefit spreadsheet and we're still dumping massive amounts of time, money, personnel, resources, and political capital into something that isn't doing what it's supposed to do.

A leftist such as myself might suggest they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do, and the duty to "protect and serve" does not apply equally across the classes. There are functions that he police routinely show themselves quite good at, like protecting the interests of the wealthy classes and ruthlessly quelling public unrest in a society increasingly going down the tubes.

Those contradictions do be heightening sometimes tho.

 

[JoeMorgue]

The Left has to become comfortable with some concepts of authority and power it's going to doom itself to never being able to effectively hold positions of authority or power ever, which is kind of a big deal when you're a political party.

You can't define yourself as the downtrodden underdog and expect to get anything done when you make advances.

 

[Bogative]

Because brown people fly airplanes into buildings and white boys shoot up schools.

You must've missed it, but the shooting being discussed in the last 36 pages of this thread did not involve a "white boy."

 

[Rolfe]

To a European that's an odd statement, because we regard Spanish and Portuguese people as white.

 

[Bogative]

To a European that's an odd statement, because we regard Spanish and Portuguese people as white.

Here in the US we have a variable standard. As in this case, if a person with brown skin does something the left wing finds abhorrent they are labeled white.

If the shooter would've been one of the victims in the 2019 El Paso Walmart shooting you can bet your ass he would be considered brown.

 

[Rolfe]

I remember a couple of days after the 7/7 bombings in London several of us said to our Spanish colleague (Manuel from Madrid) that he'd better stay away from London till they caught the guys. Manuel was a swarthy Spaniard and he'd recently grown a beard and we were half-teasing him.

Then a few days later Jean Charles de Menezes (Portuguese ancestry) was shot dead because he was mistakenly profiled as a suspect. Even though later examination of the police records showed that he'd been correctly pegged by the surveillance officers as being Caucasian.

It's a fraught topic.

 

[plague311]

Here in the US we have a variable standard. As in this case, if a person with brown skin does something the left wing finds abhorrent they are labeled white.

If the shooter would've been one of the victims in the 2019 El Paso Walmart shooting you can bet your ass he would be considered brown.

I can't imagine caring what color a school\mass shooter is but if you want to do a comparison check on school shootings by shade of skin I think you'd learn something new. Honkies shoot up schools at a disproportionate percentage.

It's funny because when we talk about school shootings the GOP is more than willing to blame video games, fatherless households, etc., but school shooters are generally white. So if white people are the "superior race" how come them whities are unable to handle their emotions as well as other races?

 

[jimbob]

They can’t. One bad apple spoils the barrel.

That is an often misapplied axiom.

Yep - I’ve posted about how its usage by the likes of the police is in fact opposite of what it used to mean. “It's strange how that phrase has subtly changed its usage, it is now used to say, "this is a lone individual everyone else is OK", whereas it used to be used to recognise that the one bad apple means everyone is also spoiled.”



ETA:I apologise for the over usage of used that I used in the above.

And as always I point out how good an analogy it is.

They don't just ruin the batch, but ruin the barrel for future apples.

The rot gets in the institution/barrel if the bad apple isn't removed

 

[plague311]

I wonder if something as simple as a 3 day waiting period would have prevented the Tulsa shooting?

Per sources:

He said the suspect purchased a semi-automatic rifle hours before the shooting took place on Wednesday afternoon, killing another physician, a receptionist and a patient.

The cops were on-scene in about 4 minutes. That's about as good as it's going to get, and I'd imagine the hospital had some form of armed security. So the best we can expect in these scenarios is around 4 dead.

Why did 4 people have to die? Well, the suspect was experiencing some back pain from a surgery. If that isn't a good enough reason to ******* kill people for then I don't know what is! We have a serious problem here in the US.

 

[crescent]

I do not support the notion of blaming the door or the teacher for this tragedy.

However, a door with a closer at the top being propped open by placing an object at the bottom will eventually not consistently and reliably close and latch correctly.

This concludes my investigation of the evil door and its complicity in this matter.

I live near an elementary school. I walk past it every evening when I walk my dog. We do the walk about the same time every day, which happens to correspond with the school's custodian finishing his work for the day.

The last thing on his duties each day: Walk around the outside of the school, pull on each and every door to ensure that it is locked and that the locks work.

That seems like a good idea. Probably a good idea for most any place.

 

[Bogative]

I can't imagine caring what color a school\mass shooter is but if you want to do a comparison check on school shootings by shade of skin I think you'd learn something new. Honkies shoot up schools at a disproportionate percentage.

I assume you're right about how honkies shoot up schools at a disproportionate rate because that's what I've always been told by the media. I guess that's a rabbit hole I'll have to go down as well after learning that most mass shootings are committed by nonwhites. I'll report back later with receipts.

 

[Chanakya]

You must've missed it, but the shooting being discussed in the last 36 pages of this thread did not involve a "white boy."

To a European that's an odd statement, because we regard Spanish and Portuguese people as white.

Ha ha ha, that's a cool nuance. How white do you have to be in order to be white? Will largely brown-ish pass for white? Or does white necessarily mean pinker than that? Or what?

Neat question, actually. On one hand it essentially exposes the utter hilarity of the whole "white" concept in the first place. And on the other hand it suggests that this might be a time-and-place thing. When you're trying your best to somehow, anyhow distinguish yourself from the "blacks", then anything that's enough not-black to clearly not be mistaken for black, will pass as white. Other times, other places, I guess some shades that had passed for white in a different context, might come in for censure as not actually being white.

That was just me thinking aloud, btw. No doubt some "white" nutjob would have written some thesis somewhere clearly discussing the definition of white. Maybe more than one nutjob, and more than one thesis.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Mormons know that you become more White if you are the right kind of Christian.

 

[cmikes]

I'm reminded of George Zimmerman. When the narrative was to try to portray a guy who tutored black kids as a seething racist, he was transformed from an Hispanic to the rarely seen, extremely dangerous "White Hispanic" category.

 

[EaglePuncher]

Calm down guys, they found a solution.

After hours of debate, the Ohio Senate voted 23-9 to pass House Bill 99, allowing teachers or other school staff to carry guns in school with permission from a district. The bill will move to the House for further consideration.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I wonder if something as simple as a 3 day waiting period would have prevented the Tulsa shooting?

Per sources:

The cops were on-scene in about 4 minutes. That's about as good as it's going to get, and I'd imagine the hospital had some form of armed security. So the best we can expect in these scenarios is around 4 dead.

Why did 4 people have to die? Well, the suspect was experiencing some back pain from a surgery. If that isn't a good enough reason to ******* kill people for then I don't know what is! We have a serious problem here in the US.

They haven't posted many details yet but my money is on he wanted a pain med script and the Dr refused.

While that's not an uncommon occurrence it's gotten much harder for Drs to write unlimited narcotics scripts even for mild narcotics like hydrocodone (the narcotic in Vicodin). [side note, for example: Dentists can no longer prescribe it at all and it was commonly used for toothaches.]

And yes, absolutely a few days to cool off would prevent a lot of these impulse mass shootings.

 

[Thermal]

A cool off might stop a...what are we calling this?...impulse mass murderer(???), but I doubt it will fundemantally fix whatever is so ****** up in their heads that they think mass killing is a peachy keen remedy. Might stop today's mass murder, but tomorrow is another day of untreated psychosis.

 

[Rolfe]

I'm reminded of the gas oven thing, though. Ages ago, household (coal) gas was poisonous. "Putting your head in a gas oven" was a common method of suicide, particularly among the elderly. Then in the 1970s everything was converted to natural (North Sea) gas, which isn't poisonous. The suicide rate among the elderly fell like a stone and as far as I know has never gone back to where it was.

There are other ways of killing yourself than gas ovens. You'd think that someone who was determined would do it anyway. And presumably some did. But it appears that the disappearance of a convenient way to do it really did prevent a significant number of people from killing themselves.

 

[mgidm86]

he is 100% complicit in the killing if he doesn't report it for what it was. This is the case for every civilian, and, reality check, here, cops are
civilians, not soldiers in enemy territory.



change from within has failed over and over, and yet PDs are getting more and more money, and do less and less for the community with it, spending it instead on military gear, racists training seminars and PR departments.
No "good" person should cover for this by "doing their best" within a horrible, incorrigible system.

Of course, the Media is at fault, too, for doing Copaganda 24/7.

And he is certainly complicit for anything that bad cop does from that point on.

 

[lionking]

Regarding the posts about cops in general, the biggest problem in the US is the huge number of individual police forces, which inevitably leads to uneven recruitment, training, supervision, ethos etc etc. Reform the whole system by eliminating all these mini forces.