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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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plague311 said:
I wouldn't hold it against any civilian, ever, if they **** their pants and ran. I don't know what I'd do, I've been in a lot of terrible situations over my time and I think we'd all like to say we'd do something. As you said, though, these aren't regular civilians. They are specifically trained for situations just like these, and the fact they tucked tail is pathetic.
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The context of our increasingly militarized police makes this all the more obnoxious. Ostensibly protecting the public against terrorism or other ultra-violent criminals was the reason given for why every single podunk town needs their own swat team, kitted out rifles, body armor, armored vehicles, and other expensive crap that is largely unnecessary for day to day policing. We've seen all this tech turned against the population and used to crack down on public dissent, but when its actually time for the cops to live up to their BS "warrior" mythos they're cowering outside.

The dissonance between what the public conception of the purpose of police and how the police actually comport themselves has never been more intense. It turns out all this "thin blue line" and "protect and serve" propaganda was simply that and nothing more. A big wet fart in the public's face.
 
Rolfe said:
...It's not just a comparison with other similarly trained professionals either. There are numerous examples of untrained civilians caught up in such events who have displayed extraordinary courage and selflessness. Even children have risked their iives to try to save classmates. If a salaried cop can't manage a level of courage that a brave civilian will display, they should not be in that job.
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In one case (God, so many from which to choose) two young girls asked the gunman to shoot them first, in the hopes that it would give their younger classmates more time to be rescued. I'm not asking for all policemen to be prepared for that level of self-sacrifice. But even a fraction of that courage could have saved lives, and it's legitimate to ask why none of the initial respondents appeared able to summon it.
 
Stellafane said:
In one case (God, so many from which to choose) two young girls asked the gunman to shoot them first, in the hopes that it would give their younger classmates more time to be rescued. I'm not asking for all policemen to be prepared for that level of self-sacrifice. But even a fraction of that courage could have saved lives, and it's legitimate to ask why none of the initial respondents appeared able to summon it.
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Meanwhile firefighters run into burning buildings.
 
angrysoba said:
This will apparently never sink in.

The point, apparently, is that kids MUST be kept in nuclear-bunker level security settings, and if not then any maniac gunning down the kids is obviously the fault of the teachers for not recognizing that maniacs running around with machine guns* is an active choice made by the politicians and to some extent the public.

*someone will point out "LOL! someone doesn't realize that fully automatic machine guns are illegal across the US!"

To which I reply, give it a few years...
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Even if they made schools into nuclear-bunker level zones, what about supermarkets, grocery stores, shopping malls, workplaces, public squares. Are they going to insist on single point of entry, locked doors and a division of military equipped security police for all those places?
 
smartcooky said:
Even if they made schools into nuclear-bunker level zones, what about supermarkets, grocery stores, shopping malls, workplaces, public squares. Are they going to insist on single point of entry, locked doors and a division of military equipped security police for all those places?
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Well sure, but it's kinda sad if the low hanging fruit is a school. Also there is IMHO great amount of peer pressure in play .. shooting schools is in. Certainly in media.
That said, I don't see how school security could be realistically improved.
 
Stellafane said:
In one case (God, so many from which to choose) two young girls asked the gunman to shoot them first, in the hopes that it would give their younger classmates more time to be rescued. I'm not asking for all policemen to be prepared for that level of self-sacrifice. But even a fraction of that courage could have saved lives, and it's legitimate to ask why none of the initial respondents appeared able to summon it.
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Please tell me you have cast iron cite for this claim.
 
smartcooky said:
Even if they made schools into nuclear-bunker level zones, what about supermarkets, grocery stores, shopping malls, workplaces, public squares. Are they going to insist on single point of entry, locked doors and a division of military equipped security police for all those places?
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It's just so misguided. More Americans are killed by dog bites in a given year than school shooters. Schools are relatively safe. Mass shootings -- at schools, workplaces, supermarkets -- are symptomatic of the larger issue of firearm accessibility. Even then, most gun violence is not part of a mass shooting event.

It is instructive that we need to militarize public settings and arm private citizens in order to preserve our freedom. An alternative is to make it more difficult for people to get guns. Absolute madness.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Out of everything in this thread please explain why you singled this out to doubt in such an accusatory way?
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I think his questioning is legitimate. A search for "two young girls asked the gunman to shoot them first" turns up nothing related. I don't know if it's true or not, but I agree with him that a claim like this needs a source.
 
In case you haven't run into them yet, the Loon Patrol has been out in force on social media, doing their usual "just asking questions" BS to imply a false-flag fake-news Democrat conspiracy.

I've noticed that the foot-in-the-door Question being Just Asked in this case is some variation of "where did a teenager get enough money to buy all of the shooter's guns and equipment", implying the shooting was secretly funded by mysterious persons. Often they will add incorrect details like that he was "unemployed", or imply that his job didn't pay enough money for him to be able to buy the weapons, and they usually ignore when it's pointed out that the particular gun dealer he bought them from offers monthly installment options.
 
Shalamar said:
Another shooting, this time in Tulsa, at a hospital campus.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/us/tulsa-police-incident-active-shooter/index.html

Time to reset the clock again on when we can talk about gun reform to not make it Political so soon after a mass shooting.
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"I hope the killer is white so I can use to progress my woke librul beta cuck anti-white message because that's how it works." - What every racist thinks every person who's not a sociopath is thinking right now.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
"I hope the killer is white so I can use to progress my woke librul beta cuck anti-white message because that's how it works." - What every racist thinks every person who's not a sociopath is thinking right now.
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The race of the shooter is known and let's just say... we can now focus on the guns he used and pick apart the police reaction so we can piss on them.
 
Checkmite said:
In case you haven't run into them yet, the Loon Patrol has been out in force on social media, doing their usual "just asking questions" BS to imply a false-flag fake-news Democrat conspiracy.

I've noticed that the foot-in-the-door Question being Just Asked in this case is some variation of "where did a teenager get enough money to buy all of the shooter's guns and equipment", implying the shooting was secretly funded by mysterious persons. Often they will add incorrect details like that he was "unemployed", or imply that his job didn't pay enough money for him to be able to buy the weapons, and they usually ignore when it's pointed out that the particular gun dealer he bought them from offers monthly installment options.
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Well the whole idea is stupid anyway, given that the cost of both this AR-15s plus all the ammunition he bought would be about the same price as a good second hand SUV, and 18 year-olds buy those all the time.
 
dudalb said:
As opposed to those who hate all cops, which ,sadly, forms a majority here.
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I'm not sure if it's a majority, but there certainly is a significant contingent of them. I dislike and distrust black and white thinking; most thing in life are shades of gray. Some people are incapable of thinking in anything but B&W.
 
shemp said:
I think his questioning is legitimate. A search for "two young girls asked the gunman to shoot them first" turns up nothing related. I don't know if it's true or not, but I agree with him that a claim like this needs a source.
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It's a pretty well known story. Had you added "amish" to your search, it would have turned up lots of hits, for instance: https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=2531138&page=1
 
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