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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Lurch said:
To the majority of Americans this is repressive tyranny. Even to many who support reform measures, this is a number of bridges too far. Because the US is "speshul", what works in the civilized world cannot possibly be transferable because of the God-sent Second Amendment. Ah, the 2A. To sane observers, cryptic in its brevity, arcane, difficult to parse, of Biblical ambiguity, widely misinterpreted into becoming effectively a suicide pact. A kind of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) scenario scaled down.

Charlton Heston, in the sclerotic intractability of his "cold, dead hands" performance at an NRA conference some years back, embodied the religious fervor of American gun insanity.
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Beautifully written. I'd nominate it if wasn't such a touchy subject.
 
Lurch said:
To the majority of Americans this is repressive tyranny. Even to many who support reform measures, this is a number of bridges too far. Because the US is "speshul", what works in the civilized world cannot possibly be transferable because of the God-sent Second Amendment. Ah, the 2A. To sane observers, cryptic in its brevity, arcane, difficult to parse, of Biblical ambiguity, widely misinterpreted into becoming effectively a suicide pact. A kind of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) scenario scaled down.

Charlton Heston, in the sclerotic intractability of his "cold, dead hands" performance at an NRA conference some years back, embodied the religious fervor of American gun insanity.
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To many (most ?) external observers, the Second Amendment reads as...

"We don't want a standing army so in order to be able to raise a militia at short notice, people need access to guns."

Once a standing army was established, that requirement became moot.
 
Which is exactly how everyone read it until an Activist Judge decided that he knew better than anyone else what the writers of the Consideration "originally" meant.
 
According to the NRA ownership of guns is a God given right.
Gods trump man made laws.
 
Stacyhs said:
You need to take a few courses history.

The police force , in one form or another, developed out of a need for enforcing law and maintaining the peace. In England as early as the 13th century, there were constables charged with that duty.
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And yet the modern concept was invented by Robert Peel in 1829.
 
Stacyhs said:
You didn't answer my question: who would you want to respond if you had someone breaking into your house?

Yeah, they're all a bunch of corrupt, lying, cowardly asses. Every single one of them! :rolleyes: Look at these jerks:

MOIRA SMITH, NYPD
Smith was the only female officer among the 23 NYPD cops who died on 9/11. She led countless injured people from the twin towers. But, in the end, died with so many other heroes in the effort to rescue more.

Sheriff's Deputy Sgt. Barbara Fenley died Thursday night while trying to save others from one of the many wildfires sweeping through the central and western parts of Texas, the sheriff's office said Friday.

Police officer Eric Mumaw "died while trying to rescue a suicidal woman from falling into a river."

Aaron Salter
Retired Buffalo police officer who confronted supermarket gunman hailed as 'true hero'

Five Phoenix police officers were shot and injured, and a woman was shot and killed during an early morning barricade situation, the department said.When an officer approached to help, the suspect, an adult man, invited the officer inside, said Phoenix police spokesman Andy Williams.

As the officer approached the door, "the suspect ambushed him with a gun and shot him several times," Williams said. "That officer was able to get back and get away to safety."

Off. Jesse Mattson:
"Within a matter of moments, the life of a Tampa police officer – a 16-year veteran of the force and U.S. Marine Corps veteran – was cut short in a wrong-way crash, and investigators believe he purposely veered into the oncoming vehicle to save others." "...a seven-time recipient of the Tampa Police Department's Life-Saving Award."
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None of them seem to care at all about controlling the criminal behavior of their coworkers. When a cop does crap like they the real cops get them committed to a mental hospital.

Adrian Schoolcraft
"Adrian Schoolcraft (born 1976) is a former New York City Police Department (NYPD) officer who secretly recorded police conversations from 2008 to 2009. He brought these tapes to NYPD investigators in October 2009 as evidence of corruption and wrongdoing within the department. The tapes were used as evidence of arrest quotas leading to police abuses such as wrongful arrests, and that emphasis on fighting crime sometimes resulted in under-reporting of crimes to artificially deflate CompStat numbers.[citation needed]

After voicing his concerns, Schoolcraft was repeatedly harassed by members of the NYPD and reassigned to a desk job. After he left work early one day, an ESU unit illegally entered his apartment, physically abducted him and forcibly admitted him to a psychiatric facility, where he was held against his will for six days.[1] In 2010, he released the audio recordings to The Village Voice, leading to the reporting of a multi-part series titled The NYPD Tapes. The same year, Schoolcraft filed a lawsuit against Jamaica Hospital and the NYPD. In 2012 The Village Voice reported that a 2010 unpublished report of an internal NYPD investigation found the 81st precinct had evidence of quotas and underreporting. Both of Schoolcraft's claims were settled in 2015, with him receiving $600,000 for the NYPD portion of the lawsuit."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft
 
So...in the end, all that macho posturing, so many "good men with guns", the best "law enforcement equipment" all amounted to zilch. I heard that if Trump had been there he would have rushed in...
 
Bob001 said:
One of the basic problems with U.S. policing is that cops can be too aggressive. It's kind of astonishing, at least to me, that they could find 19 cops from multiple agencies who weren't eager to blow a baby-killer away.
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Take heart if it was an unarmed black man the cops would have been shooting him full of holes real quick.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Take heart if it was an unarmed black man the cops would have been shooting him full of holes real quick.
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The two are closely related, in that we've created a culture in which cops are allowed to prioritize their own safety above the public, be that gunning down people for the tiniest imagined threats, or refusing to risk their lives to stop a school shooter. Over and over again the police have conditioned the public to accept that a cop's own self-interests trump all other concerns.

Cops have been making it increasingly clear they see themselves more akin to the warrior castes of feudal societies than any kind of public service. Their special privileges and prestige come from the fact that they are well armed and react violently to any commoner that dare challenge their special status. They occupy a place of special privilege, still answerable to the powerful elites above them, but openly contemptuous of the general public below.

It's not like cops are the only state run departments that have tawdry corruption or abuse scandals, but at least even the most crooked, sexist, and racist fire department in this country is still going to run into a burning building when that is what is called for. The current state of American police is beyond ordinary corruption.
 
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Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.

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It would be too generous to those in power to grant that they have simply been misled by copaganda. By insisting that we double down on policing, they make clear that they too uphold what the institution of policing defends: property, power, and racial hierarchy.

The police response to just this latest massacre of children is drawing rightful ire. Yet that alone is unlikely to turn the tides of political will when it comes to shattering the myth of policing. The lionization of the police is as deep seated as any American ideology — resistant to buckling under its own contradictions and obvious falsities. This is a country, after all, founded on genocide, slave labor, and universalist claims to equality for all. Violent contradictions should come as no surprise.

Those who have dismissed calls to defund the police as too radical ought to question their own convictions about policing. It should not take an event so devastating — with police behavior so counter to the task of saving lives — to break the spell of policing mythology.
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https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/
 
I hadn't seen this before. But it explains a lot.
In 1976, a professor of economic history at the University of California, Berkeley published an essay outlining the fundamental laws of a force he perceived as humanity’s greatest existential threat: Stupidity.

Stupid people, Carlo M. Cipolla explained, share several identifying traits: they are abundant, they are irrational, and they cause problems for others without apparent benefit to themselves, thereby lowering society’s total well-being. There are no defenses against stupidity, argued the Italian-born professor, who died in 2000. The only way a society can avoid being crushed by the burden of its idiots is if the non-stupid work even harder to offset the losses of their stupid brethren.
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https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-five-universal-laws-of-human-stupidity
 
Don't know if this was already posted and I just missed it, but reporter Mike Baker dug up Uvalde PD's school shooting policies and training documents.

The training is clear: Time is of the essence. The “first priority is to move in and confront the attacker.”
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The PD's response was totally noncompliant with their stated policies, which (reasonably) prioritizes an immediate response to engage any spree shooter rather than waiting for backup. One training scenario emphasized that, in a 2 cop vs 1 shooter scenario, a cop should continue engaging the shooter solo should their partner be wounded and taken out of the fight.

Uvalde PD guidelines said:
A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field.
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Couldn't agree more. All of these coward cops should be thrown off the force in disgrace.

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1530357140191186944

These shootings are not novel and they are pretty well understood, from a tactical level, by pretty much everyone. There is no explanation for this lack of timely response that gave the shooter free reign to murder at leisure.
 
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Bob001 said:
In 1976, a professor of economic history at the University of California, Berkeley published an essay outlining the fundamental laws of a force he perceived as humanity’s greatest existential threat: Stupidity.
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Yes. People being wrong is a problem. If only there had been a movement telling us that that didn't get demonized for being "mean" and "always having to be right about everything."
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yes. People being wrong is a problem. If only there had been a movement telling us that that didn't get demonized for being "mean" and "always having to be right about everything."
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Read the link. The problem is not being wrong. The problem is people who are unable to think rationally, even in their own interest.
 
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