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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Stacyhs said:
These morons at the NRA convention, and specifically Wayne LaPierre, were being mocked for all their 'thoughts and prayers'. I think some of them, including LaPierre, were beginning to suspect it but weren't quite sure.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1531019935308304386
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That was ...outstanding!


I don't know which one was funnier, this, or Trump reading out trying to read out those names in time with those bells.
 
Chanakya said:
That was ...outstanding!


I don't know which one was funnier, this, or Trump reading out trying to read out those names in time with those bells.
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And trying to mimic reading the 911 victims' names, or sunken ship casualties. :rolleyes:

He's such a horrid man.
 
I was reading that the cops wrestled a man to the ground and restrained him as he was trying to get into the school. It later transpired that the man's daughter was shot and killed while this was happening.
 
arayder said:
I am curious, what method, if any did he [the Buffalo shooter] talk about using to get around the cucked capacity thing?
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Captain_Swoop said:
He got his guns somewhere else.
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CNN says he bought the AR-15 in New York, his home state, and got around the state's magazine rule by modifying the rifle to accept larger mags and then buying 30 round mags either in Pennsylvania (the border is new his home) or at a flea market in New York near the PA border (that's probably illegal in NY).

*https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/17/us/buffalo-mass-shooting-guns-suspect/index.html

Dope Clock II: It's been 350 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
 
Rolfe said:
I was reading that the cops wrestled a man to the ground and restrained him as he was trying to get into the school. It later transpired that the man's daughter was shot and killed while this was happening.
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And handcuffed a woman who, after getting out of the handcuffs, scaled a fence and got her kids. Supposedly another parent was pepper sprayed, and another tased.
 
We know now that all the dead children were in the same two interlinked classrooms. It's possible the children in the other classrooms were in little danger, and it's probably unlikely that parents could have got into the classrooms under siege and saved anyone. But the sight of parents trying to act while the police are inactive, and while their children are being killed, is appalling.
 
Allegedly, there is now video evidence of radio dispatcher reports on the police frequency during the 1-hour wait that 911 calls were being received from children inside the classroom.

If true, then it seems like avenues to any theoretically reasonable explanations for the police's delay in taking action - for instance a mistaken belief that everyone in room with the gunman was already dead and beyond help - are continuing to rapidly close.
 
The defunded police cannot protect you. Get a gun, and take it wherever you go. Statistically, you might not be safer, but you'll feel safer. My feelings don't care about your dead school children.
 
Checkmite said:
Allegedly, there is now video evidence of radio dispatcher reports on the police frequency during the 1-hour wait that 911 calls were being received from children inside the classroom.

If true, then it seems like avenues to any theoretically reasonable explanations for the police's delay in taking action - for instance a mistaken belief that everyone in room with the gunman was already dead and beyond help - are continuing to rapidly close.
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Just them lying again. I did hear one of them say the cops might get killed if they tried to enter the classroom. They should just admit they were afraid and get out of the police profession.

They should fire the lot of them.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Just them lying again. I did hear one of them say the cops might get killed if they tried to enter the classroom. They should just admit they were afraid and get out of the police profession.

They should fire the lot of them.
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One of the basic problems with U.S. policing is that cops can be too aggressive. It's kind of astonishing, at least to me, that they could find 19 cops from multiple agencies who weren't eager to blow a baby-killer away.
 
A short history of the birth of U.S. gun culture.
Three letters: NRA. Beginning in the 1970s, the National Rifle Association transformed itself from a shooting sports organization into a political lobbying arm of the Republican Party. It formed a PAC, the Political Victory Fund, in time for the 1976 elections and started endorsing and funding conservative, mostly Republican, candidates. The NRA invited Ronald Reagan to address its 1983 convention, in advance of his campaign for reelection in 1984, when they endorsed him for a second time.

Gun manufacturers supported the NRA with huge contributions and began making hundreds of variations of the M-16 military rifle. They started manufacturing large-capacity magazines for pistols and military-style rifles. They went from manufacturing rifles that were intended to hunt rabbits and deer to rifles intended to hunt human beings. NRA firing ranges did away with bullseye targets and started putting up human silhouette targets. In 1991, the NRA appointed its chief lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, as executive vice president, and the transformation of the group was complete. It was now the fulcrum between gun manufacturers and the Republican Party.
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https://www.salon.com/2021/03/27/am...guns-went-from-tools-to-ideology-to-identity/
 
Bob001 said:
One of the basic problems with U.S. policing is that cops can be too aggressive. It's kind of astonishing, at least to me, that they could find 19 cops from multiple agencies who weren't eager to blow a baby-killer away.
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The problem seems to be that the US police are too aggressive towards people who present little or no immediate threat. In this case there was an active shooter so they weren't going to pile in.
 
Cain said:
The defunded police cannot protect you.
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It's becoming increasingly more obvious in this case that funded police doesn't do **** to protect people either.. They were not inactive due to lack of funds. Rather it would seem they did jack **** due to incompetence and cowardice.
 
smartcooky said:
Yes. Yes I do.

How do I know that they're not going to be the next Stephen Paddock? Trust and hope for the best? Not a ******* chance!

I would not move into an apartment with someone I don't know if I knew they had guns that were not locked away in a gun safe. But then, I live in a country where....

- the possession and use of arms is a privilege not a right.
- you must have a licence for which you must pass a safety exam to own firearms.
- your health practitioner is informed by Police that you have been issued with a firearms licence.
- it is illegal to own or be in possession of a handgun.
- it is illegal to own or be in possession of a military style semi-automatic like an AR15 or similar.
- the use of any firearm for personal protection is illegal.
- your firearms and ammunition storage facilities are inspected by a member of the Police to ensure compliance with the requirements for the secure storage of firearms and ammunition

.....and most importantly

- you have to show that you are a fit and proper person before you can own a firearm. Failing any of the following criteria will result in non-issuance or revocation of your firearms licence.

Fit and proper person to possess firearm or airgun

(1) For the purposes of this Act, a member of the Police may find a person is not a fit and proper person to be in possession of a firearm or an airgun if the member of the Police is satisfied that 1 or more of the following circumstances exist:

(a) the person is charged with or has been convicted of an offence in New Zealand or overseas that is punishable by a term of imprisonment (including, but not limited to, an offence involving violence, drugs, or alcohol):

(b) the person is charged with or has been convicted of an offence under this Act:

(c) the person is charged with or has been convicted of an offence against—
(i) section 231A of the Crimes Act 1961; or
(ii) the Game Animal Council Act 2013; or
(iii) the Wildlife Act 1953; or
(iv)the Wild Animal Control Act 1977:​

(d) the person has, or has had at any time, a temporary protection order made against them under—
(i) section 79 of the Family Violence Act 2018; or
(ii) section 14 of the Domestic Violence Act 1995:

(e) the person has inflicted, or is inflicting, family violence against another person and that other person has grounds under the Family Violence Act 2018 to apply for a protection order in respect of that violence:

(f) the person has, or has had at any time, a restraining order made against them under the Harassment Act 1997:

(g) the person has engaged in any conduct involving non-compliance with any requirements of—
(i) this Act; or
(ii) any regulations made under this Act; or
(iii) any conditions to which a permit, licence, or endorsement previously issued to the person under this Act was subject​

(h) the person shows, or has recently shown, symptoms of a mental or physical illness or injury that may adversely affect their ability to safely possess firearms:

(i) the person abuses alcohol, or is dependent on alcohol, to an extent that affects detrimentally their judgement or behaviour:

(j) the person uses drugs (illegal or legal) in a way that affects detrimentally their judgement or behaviour:

(k) the person is a member of, or has close affiliations with, a gang or an organised criminal group:

(l) the person has shown patterns of behaviour demonstrating a tendency to exhibit, encourage, or promote violence, hatred, or extremism:

(m) the person has been assessed as a risk to national security:​

Many of these are new laws that were passed in the wake of the 2019 Christchurch Mosque shootings. These additions had overwhelming public support (94%) and passed through our 120 seat parliament 119-1.
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To the majority of Americans this is repressive tyranny. Even to many who support reform measures, this is a number of bridges too far. Because the US is "speshul", what works in the civilized world cannot possibly be transferable because of the God-sent Second Amendment. Ah, the 2A. To sane observers, cryptic in its brevity, arcane, difficult to parse, of Biblical ambiguity, widely misinterpreted into becoming effectively a suicide pact. A kind of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) scenario scaled down.

Charlton Heston, in the sclerotic intractability of his "cold, dead hands" performance at an NRA conference some years back, embodied the religious fervor of American gun insanity.
 
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There is a fundamental flaw in the conviction that a government taking away guns is by definition a tyrannical one. One idea behind the 2nd Amendment is that having an armed&organized citizenry would prevent hostile takeover from without and within, i.e. that a Tyranny might happen after there was no longer an armed population to oppose it.
So the act of heavily regulating guns is not, in and of itself, tyrannical.

Secondly, there is no good reason to believe that private gun ownership would be any obstacle to hostile takeover from without, and every reason to believe that it actually promotes hostile takeover from within.

So the question I have is: what is that we actually protect? The Country or Guns?
 
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