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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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jimbob said:
Which does point to the utterly broken structure of US policing. Eighteen thousand independent organisations with police powers is a recipe for a lot of problems with oversight as well as funding and training. And jurisdiction.
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Unfortunately this is a feature and not a bug.
 
My guess is that the school/church/supermarket shooters feel there is nothing in society for them. Indeed they may feel that society has rejected them.

Although they may be young, I hypothesize that they have already lost hope that their life will be fruitful or happy.

The anger and hurt turns to rage. The hopelessness leads to depression and thoughts of suicide.

Unfortunately there is a well known course of action which these hurt and depressed individuals can follow so as to pay society back at the same ending their emotional pain. . .

Buy a few automatic weapons (the gun shop has a payment plan, so ones doesn't really need money) and take them to a valued place where the public gathers. . .a school, a church, a theater. . .and make those bastards pay. The cops come and the individual gets to go down in a blaze of gunfire.

Sometimes in developing the plan a family member catches on that there is something wrong and upon confronting the individual has to be shot.

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Dope Clock II: It's been 348 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
 
Nessie said:
Where were the 19 cops? I thought they were outside the building, but were they inside, with the shooter and children inside a classroom?
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They were inside the school in the corridor outside the two classrooms where the shooter was. They would have heard every single shot fired in the 40 minutes they spent standing there.
 
I'm reading now on Twitter that two of the parents of children murdered in Texas this week are considering having open casket funerals, as they want the world to see what actually happened to their children, who are now apparently unrecognizable.
 
erlando said:
They were inside the school in the corridor outside the two classrooms where the shooter was. They would have heard every single shot fired in the 40 minutes they spent standing there.
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Thanks (and to others who answered).

Next question (based on my police training) was that when seeking cover, we need to be behind something that bullets cannot penetrate. The firearms that the shooter had, were they of sufficient power that bullets would go through the classroom walls and door?

It is also hard to see how so many cops could be in a corridor and cover the classrooms, with risk of shooting each other.
 
The NRA must be loving that most media attention has been and will be on the police response and not as it would otherwise be on political action.
 
Stacyhs said:
I'm not one of those. Certain people/occupations need to have a gun/rifle. For example, ranchers who need to protect their animals, people who live in areas nwith dangerous animals like bears, most hunters (although I abhor hunting with a passion, I realize hunting needs to be done for the overall good of the herd, etc). But NO civilian needs an assault/assault style rifle. No one needs to have a damn arsenal in their home (like my BIL).
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Sure. But hunting and herd defense don't require a semi-automatic. Bolt/lever/slide plugged to hold three rounds.
 
arayder said:
My guess is that the school/church/supermarket shooters feel there is nothing in society for them. Indeed they may feel that society has rejected them.

Although they may be young, I hypothesize that they have already lost hope that their life will be fruitful or happy.

The anger and hurt turns to rage. The hopelessness leads to depression and thoughts of suicide.
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Make assassinations great again. Shoot politicians, not school kids.
 
Tero said:
I could not find a thread where automatic weapons are discussed. They were only banned briefly in the Clinton era and in the Trump era any regulation of guns by presidential act were repealed. Also under Bush.
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Assault weapons were not banned in the Clinton era; guns with certain features were not allowed to be sold to civilians for ten years. Existing guns were kept and could be bought/sold without modification.

Which "regulation of guns by presidential act" were repealed by Bush or Trump?
 
BTW, regarding the Republican party's trotting out (again) the ludicrous idea of arming teachers, the last time anyone bothered to ask them, the opposed the idea.
By around twenty-to-one.
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To be fair, that's 21 school shootings in which a total of 8 people (some of them adults) died, and one school shooting in which 21 people died. It's not surprising that more attention is paid to the last one.
 
Matthew Best said:
To be fair, that's 21 school shootings in which a total of 8 people (some of them adults) died, and one school shooting in which 21 people died. It's not surprising that more attention is paid to the last one.
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We have to treat everything the exact same, regardless of the enormous differences in scale or we are...something?
 
Just watched Trump's speech at the NRA convention. He was his usual snarky self, but this time he seemed to be extra bored, as if those deaths had somehow made the whole thing inconvenient for him.

It was sickening to listen to.
 
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