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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Captain_Swoop said:
By already having a register of ownership and the backing of the vast majority of the population and legislators.
Same as in the UK after Hungerford for assault weapons and and Dunblane for handguns
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Same here after the Christchurch Mosque shootings. The legislation for compulsory buyback and banning of semi-automatic weapons was passed through Parliament 119-1.
 
smartcooky said:
As long as you have such a backwards SYSTEM in your House of Government, that allows the MINORITY to dictate to the MAJORITY what legislation can be passed, NO presdient can ever be held to blame for not getting things done.

As long as you have such a backwards judicial system that gives wholly unqualified people lifetime appointments to your highest court, a system that allows one party to have dominance and influence over laws YEARS after those who appointed them have gone from office, you will continue to suffer things like having religious and political dogma take away your human rights and ability to change laws that YOUR PEOPLE want changed!!!!


You need to do away with the filibuster, permanently and for everything. No other civilized country in the world has a system where the majority needs the consent of the minority to pass laws and legislation.

You need to do away with Presidential nominations and political appointments of Judges, and instead, have experience and qualifications as the basis for the various levels of federal benches.

You need to do away with lifetime appointments to the benches of the Circuit Courts and SCOTUS. Six years maximum term followed by three years standdown before possible reappointment with a maximum to two terms, and forced retirement at 65.

The system in America is broken, badly. Nothing in America is going to change until the system changes.
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Then who should make the appointments? If you have two equally qualified candiates who picks between them?
And "expreince and qualifications" is a pretty neblous term anyway
I agree there should not be life appointments.
Problem with you solutions is they are too technocratic and ignore the fact that any system is only as good as the people who run it. Something the technocrats like to forget.
I am not syaing changes should not be made but if you get the wrong people in charge any system is not going to work.
 
The Don said:
Remember, it's the 75% of the US population who support gun control who are the real villains and the real threat to public safety. :rolleyes:
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But that 75% differs a lot on what "gun control" should be.
Read the polls more carefully.
 
lauwenmark said:
And what exactly could you try? As long as there is no strong will to change things in the majority of the population, that's pointless.

People will pray, mourn, and tweet; that's it. They won't do anything, because the majority of them is not ready to sacrifice their private entertainment for the life of others.
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mandatory gun insurance would be one thing.
A tax on gifting/inheriting guns would provide both the funds and the data to monitor where a lot of currently obscure guns are.
Pushing money into the CDC doing a lot more research on gun deaths.
 
lionking said:
Yes this is obvious. Are you happy with this?

An honest answer would be “I accept gun deaths, including massacres of young children, is an acceptable cost of our second amendment rights”.

Are you prepared to make this statement?
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You don't get it. "Things are terrible and there is nothing we can do about it" is the cool, angst driven attitude to have nowdays among colllege students and much of the Intelleginesia in the US.
IMHO this is just moody Teenage Angst extended beyond the teen age years.
 
Lurch said:
To those who might take offense over my missives and rants about American insanity leading to a hate-on... The numbing repetitiveness of vile events like this, the political and societal climate that fosters them, the squalid valuation of money and power over the lives of even children, and the obscene indifference in certain quarters sure does make it hard to like y'all as a group.
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Don't tell me your ancestors were Empire Loyalists, right?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
There are a ton of things we could TRY, for zorg's sake.
If someone tells you that it's hopeless, they usually have a vested interest in not doing anything.
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Of course If we are doomed, then no need to actually get off your butt and do something.
And of course, I think you have a certain "The sooner we have fascism the sooner we will have the Glorous People's Revolution" feeling among some here.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
You have just listed all the reasons given over the years against the move from single shot to magazine loading then to semi auto rifles for the military.

If what you say is true then why don't the military still use single shot or bolt action rifles?

That you can't see why having a 30 round magazine, semi auto rifle isn't an aid to killing lots of people quickly is mind boggling.
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I am not saying it is not an aid. Instead, I have shown evidence that even single or limited shot firearms can be used in mass shootings to great effect.

Do snipers not tend to use single or limited shot rifles?
 
Nessie said:
I am not saying it is not an aid. Instead, I have shown evidence that even single or limited shot firearms can be used in mass shootings to great effect.

Do snipers not tend to use single or limited shot rifles?
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You just want all private ownership of guns banned, period.
That will never ,every happen in the US. It just politiclly impossible.
Anyway, the real problem is with assault weapons. Let's concentrare on that.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
mandatory gun insurance would be one thing.
A tax on gifting/inheriting guns would provide both the funds and the data to monitor where a lot of currently obscure guns are.
Pushing money into the CDC doing a lot more research on gun deaths.
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I also think..this is critical...don't treat all guns alike.
Concentrate on Assault weapons, that is where the problem is.
make insurange rates low for things like Bolt action hunting rifles, but very high for assualt weapons.
I won't get into a debate if the de facto banning of privately owned guns is a good or bad idea. but it is politcally impossible, A great many people who pools say they favor gun control don't favor a de facto ban on all weapons.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Read between the lines and the cops ran away. Somehow there was an exchange of gunfire outside, then nothing while cops waited for backup and this guy killed without interference inside.
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Do we know that? Apparently two cops were shot, and the gunman barricaded himself in a classroom with cinder block walls and opened fire.
"Just goes to show you the complete evil from this shooter," Lt. Olivarez told CNN.

We had local law enforcement from Uvalde Police Department, one of the school police officers as well as state troopers that arrived on scene. They were the initial officers on scene. They heard the gunfire, they were met with gunfire as they encountered this gunman who was able to shoot two police officers, nonlife threatening injuries, they are stable, they are out of the hospital, but at that point they were at a disadvantage because the gunman was able to make entry into a classroom, barricade himself inside that classroom and then that's when he just -- he started shooting children and the teachers that we talked about, two teachers were killed inside that classroom.
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Nessie said:
I am not saying it is not an aid. Instead, I have shown evidence that even single or limited shot firearms can be used in mass shootings to great effect.

Do snipers not tend to use single or limited shot rifles?
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Aw, c'mon. What's your point? How do you compare a sniper selecting a single distant target from concealment to somebody going into a classroom, probably about 30-feet square, and opening fire at very close range with a rapid-fire semi-auto loaded with a 30-round magazine? How long do you think it would take to fire 30 rounds from a bolt-action deer rifle? Have you actually used guns?
 
dudalb said:
But that 75% differs a lot on what "gun control" should be.
Read the polls more carefully.
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Some commentators are making the point that "gun control" is an antiquated and intimidating term. What proponents have been talking about for years is "gun safety."
 
I've gotten kind of confused reading about the response of local cops. Last night I read, and posted here, that there was a school cop on the scene, but other accounts seem to indicate the school cop arrived on the scene after the shooting started.

I was surprised to hear that there was a school cop at an elementary school at all.



I read there was a high school nearby. I'm wondering if the school cop was actually assigned to the high school, and travelled to the elementary school after reports of shooting. That's speculation on my part, trying to sort out apparently contradictory stories.
 
Meadmaker said:
I've gotten kind of confused reading about the response of local cops. Last night I read, and posted here, that there was a school cop on the scene, but other accounts seem to indicate the school cop arrived on the scene after the shooting started.

I was surprised to hear that there was a school cop at an elementary school at all.

I read there was a high school nearby. I'm wondering if the school cop was actually assigned to the high school, and travelled to the elementary school after reports of shooting. That's speculation on my part, trying to sort out apparently contradictory stories.
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How a sunny Uvalde school day ended in bloodshed

This BBC version seems to have got its ducks in a row as far as I can see. There have been several updates which have corrected errors, so they seem to have been checking. Of course, they could still be wrong, but it seems like a decent account.
 
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