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No Lie Brian Tyler Cohen



"What are we doing?"

Good for Steve Kerr and well said. His point about the 50 Senators is spot on. The majority of GOP senators refuse to support a bill expanding background checks. Delphic Oracle blamed Biden:

Telling us "we" have to do something? WE ELECTED YOU TO LEAD MOTHER ******!
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He has tried to lead but you can't lead those who don't want to be led:


Senate Republicans said on Thursday they will force a vote to try to nix President Biden’s “ghost guns” rule, pushing a fight over gun laws onto the chamber’s agenda.

Republican Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) said that he will introduce a resolution along with Sens. James Lankford (Okla.), Mike Braun (Ind.) and Mike Lee (Utah) to block the Justice Department regulation.
https://thehill.com/news/senate/3267648-senate-gop-to-force-vote-on-nixing-bidens-ghost-guns-rule/
 
Here's a bit of interesting news:

"As he tried to enter the school, he was engaged by school district police officers, but was still able to enter the building and go into multiple classrooms, DPS Sgt. Erick Estrada said. Authorities say he was armed with a rifle and carrying a backpack."

So, the school apparently had police (plural) on premises. Armed? I would think so.

And yet, this dude killed 21 anyway.

Good guys with guns didn't prevent the murders. Well, one other good guy with a gun did stop the killing, so that's good. Hwoever, the point is that even if you have armed guards, the killer is acting with the element of surprise. The good guys couldn't stop him in time.

That's right. And it goes to show why Texas AG Paxton and others who insist that the answer is more armed guards, police, and/or arming teachers are simply mistaken. The killer in this case was already engaged by multiple armed responders and was still able to enter the classroom(s) (some law enforcement quotes suggest more than one, unclear) and shoot at least 30 victims when the children sent to the hospital wounded but alive are included along with the dead.

And this isn't exactly a revelation. Conservatives were quick to make fun of the 2015 Charlie Hebdo shooting, insisting that the result (12 dead, 11 injured in one office) could easily have been reduced or even prevented altogether if France had more permissive gun laws and even one of the victims in the office been carrying a firearm for protection. One gun rights group attempted to prove this by staging an elaborate simulation of the known conditions of the attack (room layout, number of people, ambush by two gunmen) and arming one of the "victims" and the "terrorists" with paintball guns. They had to run the scenario several times because the lone "good guy with a gun" kept failing to take down both gunmen; in fact, they ran the scenario a total of nine times, and they were never able to take down both; in a couple of runs the armed victim couldn't take out even one. And this was a solidly pro-gun group that was highly motivated to prove the folly of gun control AND had the advantage of actually anticipating the ambush and reacting much more quickly that someone genuinely taken by surprise would have been able.
 
James Corden's Message After the Texas School Shooting:



He has young kids of his own and a perspective as a person from the UK.

We're a world leader, all right...in the number of school shootings. The NRA, the Ted Cruzes, the Mitch McConnells, the MTGs, the Lauren Boeberts, the Mike Lees of this country must be so proud.

MTG: 'We don't need more gun control. We need to return to God.'

Jackson Lahmeyer (GA-R Senate candidate) " It's time to arm the teachers and bring back prayer in our public schools."

Ted Cruz: "We know from past experience that the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus."
"Inevitably, when there's a murder of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it. You see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.That doesn't work."

Just shut the hell up.
 
This is the price you pay for liberal gun laws. Stop pretending it is shocking or unusual. 27 school shoot ups so far this year. There will be more.

Given your reluctance to give up guns, the question is not how to stop.attacks, you won't. At best you will just move them.

The question is do you bother compensating parents for sacrificing their child as the consequence of allowing people to freely collect guns, light up a range or go shooting in the hills? A "dead child" levy on gun ownership or purchase may help gun owners understand what their 'rights' enable, but I doubt it.
 
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The true reason why Republicans will always oppose any gun laws is not the NRA (which is bankrupt in more than one way), or that they don't see the reason for it.
It's that they know exactly what would happen if they tried to become more sensible in terms to regulating access to guns: their supporters would shoot them.
Republicans fear the MAGA and Gun nutters, for good reason, and know that they and their family would not be save if they did anything that looks like gun regulation.
 
To those who might take offense over my missives and rants about American insanity leading to a hate-on... The numbing repetitiveness of vile events like this, the political and societal climate that fosters them, the squalid valuation of money and power over the lives of even children, and the obscene indifference in certain quarters sure does make it hard to like y'all as a group.
 
On a theoretical Biden EO,

Congress, as currently assembled, likely couldn't block it. That leaves judicial review. Judicial review takes time. Presidents have ignored stays before this and will do so again. What's going to happen? Will Biden be arrested? We already know that doesn't happen.

ETA: I would bet my life that most of those in and around the apparatus of power would ultimately concede (though loudly) many issues we're currently paralyzed on to maintain the sacrosanctity of the Presidency. And it would be a brilliant stroke of using the corrupt, patronage seeking nature of the system against itself.

This precise issue is about guns and innocent children, yes. But it takes place in the context of a power struggle. When your opponent is operating along the doctrine of "we intend to accumulate power to ourselves and deny it to others" and are making great strides at repeatedly demonstrating that even with technical statutory authority, you are ineffective and weak, then it is time to stop "playing by the rules." The way to dissuade an opponent from engaging in a naked power struggle is to meet them on those terms. Make their attempts to do so have real consequences. Watching them accumulate it all while showing everyone which section and clause prevents us from action suits them just fine.

The "flipping the chess board over" analogy is a popular one. I no longer find it accurate. Our opponents are blatantly cheating and smirking across the board at us while we continue to play "correctly." It isn't at all unexpected that some significant portion of the patrons watching (who, for the sake of this analogy actually have many of their needs, if not their very lives riding on the outcome, the players not so much) might grow resentful at the player they are depending on as the game drags on and there we are, just losing the game. Repeatedly pointing out how unfair it is doesnt impress anyone with skin in the game. In that context, flipping the board over and punching the ass in the face is not the egregious act it might otherwise be.

Emergency powers are rather broad.

We've been under state of emergency with respect to Iran for my entire 43 years on this Earth.

We're under something like 30 states of emergency right this minute. Somehow, despite the numerous suspensions of various swathes of codes and statutes, the foundations of our institutions haven't sunk into the abyss.

I think there's a rather plain case for "compelling government interest" at this point. Certainly we could have a robust debate about "least restrictive means." Maybe we'll have to give some guns back.

What "honor" is there in upholding institutional virtues that allow this carnage? Why are we still staring at the board trying to figure out where to move our queen if they get to take her out with any piece they choose from any square they choose because they say so?

I bristle at the "omg the militant/fringe/radical left" stuff that floats around, of course. I'm plenty aware of the kookery, though, after a long exhaustive march through 19th century enlightenment and the formations of modern (small "r") republican nation-state politics. But I'm no more impressed either by comfortable liberal moderates more beholden to esoteric principles and "orderliness" than real, immediate suffering. And I say that as someone with a neurotic preference for routines and task-orientation, if not downright undiagnosed ASD.

This country has long been hewn towards human and civil rights taking a back seat to property and status. Guns are property. Property values and investments might take a dive if "unrest" occurs. It is absolutely true that many, far too many, of us will put children on the altar of stability and peace (or at least peaceful enclaves "where I can afford to live, but thats because I've earned it").

It's the same argument King made about those who would espouse support for civil rights, but then be so very "concerned" that it was all done "properly" and not cause disruptions or inconvenience to them.
 
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The true reason why Republicans will always oppose any gun laws is not the NRA (which is bankrupt in more than one way), or that they don't see the reason for it.
It's that they know exactly what would happen if they tried to become more sensible in terms to regulating access to guns: their supporters would shoot them.
Republicans fear the MAGA and Gun nutters, for good reason, and know that they and their family would not be save if they did anything that looks like gun regulation.

From the viewpoint of the gun nutters, their elected reps enacting restrictions would be seen as the very tyranny the 2A was conceived of to stamp out. Quite the self reinforcing feedback loop. Gotta have more guns to make sure the gubmint can't take away our guns. Appeasing the nutters only results in becoming a hostage to their nuttery.

We have occurring here something like thermal runaway, whereby current and the resulting heat causes a decrease in resistance, leading to higher current and heat, further reduction of resistance, and so on until meltdown or a bang.

The approaching meltdown here is the increasing gun violence, after the infusion of more and more guns into society and the decreasing resistance relative to violence to do anything about it.
 
Up here we sacrifice our children
To feed the worn-out dreams of yesterday
 
Sorry to report that the US is as powerless to do anything about the damage guns do as the UK is to tackle the damage alcohol does IMO.

In both cases the "problem" is deeply intertwined with culture and how each country looks at itself.

In both cases there are large, powerful, well funded industry lobby groups to oppose any measures to control the "problem"

In both cases "responsible" people are trotted out as the reason why a few irresponsible people shouldn't be allowed to ruin everyone else's fun

In both cases, due to inaction, thousands of people die and tens of thousands are injured unnecessarily
 
On a theoretical Biden EO,

Congress, as currently assembled, likely couldn't block it. That leaves judicial review. Judicial review takes time. Presidents have ignored stays before this and will do so again. What's going to happen? Will Biden be arrested? We already know that doesn't happen.

ETA: I would bet my life that most of those in and around the apparatus of power would ultimately concede (though loudly) many issues we're currently paralyzed on to maintain the sacrosanctity of the Presidency. And it would be a brilliant stroke of using the corrupt, patronage seeking nature of the system against itself.

This precise issue is about guns and innocent children, yes. But it takes place in the context of a power struggle. When your opponent is operating along the doctrine of "we intend to accumulate power to ourselves and deny it to others" and are making great strides at repeatedly demonstrating that even with technical statutory authority, you are ineffective and weak, then it is time to stop "playing by the rules." The way to dissuade an opponent from engaging in a naked power struggle is to meet them on those terms. Make their attempts to do so have real consequences. Watching them accumulate it all while showing everyone which section and clause prevents us from action suits them just fine.

The "flipping the chess board over" analogy is a popular one. I no longer find it accurate. Our opponents are blatantly cheating and smirking across the board at us while we continue to play "correctly." It isn't at all unexpected that some significant portion of the patrons watching (who, for the sake of this analogy actually have many of their needs, if not their very lives riding on the outcome, the players not so much) might grow resentful at the player they are depending on as the game drags on and there we are, just losing the game. Repeatedly pointing out how unfair it is doesnt impress anyone with skin in the game. In that context, flipping the board over and punching the ass in the face is not the egregious act it might otherwise be.

Emergency powers are rather broad.

We've been under state of emergency with respect to Iran for my entire 43 years on this Earth.

We're under something like 30 states of emergency right this minute. Somehow, despite the numerous suspensions of various swathes of codes and statutes, the foundations of our institutions haven't sunk into the abyss.

I think there's a rather plain case for "compelling government interest" at this point. Certainly we could have a robust debate about "least restrictive means." Maybe we'll have to give some guns back.

What "honor" is there in upholding institutional virtues that allow this carnage? Why are we still staring at the board trying to figure out where to move our queen if they get to take her out with any piece they choose from any square they choose because they say so?

I bristle at the "omg the militant/fringe/radical left" stuff that floats around, of course. I'm plenty aware of the kookery, though, after a long exhaustive march through 19th century enlightenment and the formations of modern (small "r") republican nation-state politics. But I'm no more impressed either by comfortable liberal moderates more beholden to esoteric principles and "orderliness" than real, immediate suffering. And I say that as someone with a neurotic preference for routines and task-orientation, if not downright undiagnosed ASD.

This country has long been hewn towards human and civil rights taking a back seat to property and status. Guns are property. Property values and investments might take a dive if "unrest" occurs. It is absolutely true that many, far too many, of us will put children on the altar of stability and peace (or at least peaceful enclaves "where I can afford to live, but thats because I've earned it").

It's the same argument King made about those who would espouse support for civil rights, but then be so very "concerned" that it was all done "properly" and not cause disruptions or inconvenience to them.

Near-immediate fail!

The gun lobby will immediately pull the stings of their puppets in the GOP who will apply for a stay of the EO to SCOTUS (any state Government can go direct to SCOTUS under the "Original jurisdiction" path) and SCOTUS (now a 6-3 right wing court) will stay the EO.
 
To those who might take offense over my missives and rants about American insanity leading to a hate-on... The numbing repetitiveness of vile events like this, the political and societal climate that fosters them, the squalid valuation of money and power over the lives of even children, and the obscene indifference in certain quarters sure does make it hard to like y'all as a group.

Hell, I don't even like us much.
 
Sorry to report that the US is as powerless to do anything about the damage guns do as the UK is to tackle the damage alcohol does IMO.

In both cases the "problem" is deeply intertwined with culture and how each country looks at itself.

In both cases there are large, powerful, well funded industry lobby groups to oppose any measures to control the "problem"

In both cases "responsible" people are trotted out as the reason why a few irresponsible people shouldn't be allowed to ruin everyone else's fun

In both cases, due to inaction, thousands of people die and tens of thousands are injured unnecessarily

US and UK are pretty close on alcohol related deaths per head.
15.3 in US in 2018
11.9 in UK in 2018
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db383.htm
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...s/alcoholrelateddeathsintheunitedkingdom/2018

Also, alcohol is not designed to kill, whereas an assault rifle is.

Anecdotally, there does seem to be less binge drinking than there used to be in the UK, as kids seem to spend more time online, and mor epubs move over to serving food. There does seem to be a gradual cultural change in the UK with alcohol.

Meanwhile, in a class in a Texas school, guns are still a problem.
 
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Anyone who thinks Biden hasn't tried gun related XOs doesn't know what he's talking about. What he's done through the last year and what the results have been is discussed in the following article:

Biden’s executive actions tackle a small part of America’s enormous gun problem
Biden announced six executive actions meant to curb gun violence in America.

Biden’s actions are significant but address only a very small part of America’s enormous gun problem. Instead, they represent an effort by the White House to use the limited tools the president has, given the difficulties in passing new gun legislation through Congress, to make some progress toward reform.
There are currently bills that would close this loophole that have passed the House of Representatives and are waiting for a vote in the Senate. There seems little chance of them passing, given Democrats — who broadly support gun reform — don’t have the numbers necessary to do so.
As the country, largely united in its support for gun legislation, waits for a stagnant Congress to pass meaningful reforms, Biden has now acted unilaterally — his reforms aren’t broad, but they are what is within his power to do.
Here’s what Biden implemented Thursday (as of April 2021):

Stopping the sale of “ghost guns:”
New regulations on pistol-stabilizing braces
New regulations on pistol-stabilizing braces
Federal studies on gun trafficking: For the first time in 20 years, the ATF and the Justice Department will be charged with issuing annual reports on gun trafficking.
Investments in community violence intervention programs

Biden also announced the nomination of David Chipman to lead the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Chipman, a gun control advocate, was unanimously opposed by all GOP senators so Biden was forced to withdraw his nomination.
 
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Anecdotally, there does seem to be less binge drinking than there used to be in the UK, as kids seem to spend more time online, and mor epubs move over to serving food. There does seem to be a gradual cultural change in the UK with alcohol.

:o

Yes, you're quite right, young people these days seem to drink a lot less than in my day.
 
No Lie Brian Tyler Cohen



"What are we doing?"

How will you persuade people with words when dead children don't make a difference?

I've said it before, in the USA, people are happy with the regular sacrifice of children to keep their guns
 
How will you persuade people with words when dead children don't make a difference?

I've said it before, in the USA, people are happy with the regular sacrifice of children to keep their guns

Remember, it's the 75% of the US population who support gun control who are the real villains and the real threat to public safety. :rolleyes:
 
"A parable:

A village has been built in the deepest gully of a floodplain.

At regular intervals, flash floods wipe away houses, killing all inside. Less dramatic—but more lethal—is the steady toll as individual villagers slip and drown in the marshes around them.

After especially deadly events, the villagers solemnly discuss what they might do to protect themselves. Perhaps they might raise their homes on stilts? But a powerful faction among the villagers is always at hand to explain why these ideas won’t work. “No law can keep our village safe! The answer is that our people must learn to be better swimmers - and oh by the way, you said ‘stilts’ when the proper term is ‘piles,’ so why should anybody listen to you?”

So the argument rages, without result, year after year, decade after decade, fatalities mounting all the while. Nearby villages, built in the hills, marvel that the gully-dwellers persist in their seemingly reckless way of life. But the gully-dwellers counter that they are following the wishes of their Founders, whose decisions two centuries ago must always be upheld by their descendants."

David Frum, 2017
 
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