Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)
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Well, he didn't say anything about free.
Some gun control advocates lack the understanding of how AR-15s (and fire arms in general) work to the degree that they can't figure out that there's no need to ban the weapon. What they want could be achieved by banning high cap mags.
This gets society around the positively horrific scenario in which the cops are sent out to confiscate bubba's rifle. Talk about blood in the streets!
In this scenario mags beyond ten rounds would be illegal. if you have one and turn it in you get voucher for a five or ten round mag. If you don't turn it in the cops are going to assume you smashed it to bits with a sledge hammer.
But the cops ain't searching your house because they saw an old picture of you at a 3 gun match with a 30 round mag.
If you show up in public or at the range with a high cap mag you are subject to it being confiscated and you getting fined.
Just saying. . .
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Dope Clock II: It's been 345 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
This gets society around the positively horrific scenario in which the cops are sent out to confiscate bubba's rifle. Talk about blood in the streets!
In this scenario mags beyond ten rounds would be illegal. if you have one and turn it in you get voucher for a five or ten round mag. If you don't turn it in the cops are going to assume you smashed it to bits with a sledge hammer.
But the cops ain't searching your house because they saw an old picture of you at a 3 gun match with a 30 round mag.
If you show up in public or at the range with a high cap mag you are subject to it being confiscated and you getting fined.
Just saying. . .
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Dope Clock II: It's been 345 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
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Except the penalty should be a criminal conviction and mandatory jail time
I'm going to guess that if he follows through, it will targeted towards getting mental health care from faith-based sources - preferably operating in schools.
Ya just gotta get good with God. Jesus will cleanse your soul of the urge to kill everyone.
Rolfe
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This is not wholly wrong. A part of me wonders what sort of life any lad can have had when as soon as he turns eighteen he buys weapons and kills a bunch of kids in an effective "suicide by cop". Part of me is actually sorry for him.
It's a bit like the "Swiss cheese strategy" against covid. No one thing works, but if you do all the possible things, added together you have enough to make a difference. Helping troubled young people, helping troubled families in the hope that their young people don't grow up to be troubled, surely that's part of the mix?
angrysoba
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Yeah, Beto O’Rourke says “It’s on you!” And was told “it’s on ******** like you!” And “you sick son of a bitch!” By the one of the guys dressed up like a cowboy.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1529520615933214721?s=21
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1529520615933214721?s=21
We could phase out the voucher program. After a certain date you're no longer going to get a voucher for an old high cap mag. For a while after that you can just turn it in with no penalty. Along the way there'd be allowances for people who find an old high cap mag in grandpa's gun safe after it dies.
I suppose the penalties could be phased in too.
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Dope Clock II: It's been 345 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth.
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No. American isn't an outlier in mental illness but it is one in gun violence.
This discussion always happens as if every other 1st world country hasn't figured this out.
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On visiting relatives in a middle class town in CT in 1986, I was left on my one day when they went to work. I told them I planned to walk to the local shops for a look around. I was told not to, due to some home invasions making the local police and neighbours somewhat twitchy.
I then made the mistake of leaving the back door open, which was spotted by a neighbour, who came to investigate. I do know if he was armed, but thankfully he shouted into the house "whose there?" and he accepted my answer.
My relatives, who kept a handgun and shot gun in their bedroom, offered me the handgun to keep in my room, for my safety!
Guns were normalised to an amazing extent and the nearest equivalent, I can think of, is the Troubles in NI. Relatives there said it was normal to see guns and the army and my sister-in-law's uncle still has bulletproof windows in his house and has a handgun for personal protection.
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The US has some of the best mental health care in the world already. Quality was never the problem, it's that people who need it often can't get it.
angrysoba
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Literally the only “solutions” they will come up with are “thoughts and prayers”, some racist rhetoric about “closing the border” despite the perpetrator not being an immigrant and being more holy and not playing computer games. I very much doubt they have any plans to improve healthcare or make it freely a available to those in need. You have pay big money for healthcare. In other words, say a bunch of platitudes until it all blows over then at the campaign claim that Democrats are harming school children by making them wear masks and “grooming” them to being LGBT.
They’ll probably get re-elected just in time for the next power outage when they escaped to Mexico by private plane.
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I do not think the post Hillsborough and Dunblane restrictions on type of firearm have made any difference. As Cumbria and Plymouth have shown, it is still possible to kill many people with the types still allowed.
Far more important are;
1 - licensing to ensure those who have guns are highly unlikely to misuse them
2 - limit supply of guns to those not suitable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...aths-in-six-months-as-police-stifle-gun-trade
As reported April this year;
"No London shooting deaths in six months as police say gun trade stifled
Met says drug gangs in capital finding it difficult to source and move around firearms"
Rolfe
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Dunblane removed handguns.
Hungerford removed all semi automatics apart from .22 rimfire.
By far the vast majority of guns in the UK are shotguns.
I don't see a problem with bringing up the shootings that are caused by black people. The persons motives for doing so shouldn't be the issue here. What should be the issue is why are these mass shootings happening. You cannot begin to rectify the cause if you refuse to even discuss where the problems lie.
I'm not in the US but if it is fact that the majority of mass shootings are carried by black people then this needs to be acknowledged. Stat sites that do not even list these murders are disingenuous. A gang banger that has blown away 5 of his rivals in one sitting is just as relevant as the white guy wandering into a church and executing 5 of the parishioners.
I find it just as concerning that black people are (apparently) responsible for the majority of mass murders as white people are responsible for the majority of school shootings.
Although my personal feeling is the actual root cause behind the majority of this isn't skin colour, but the easy access to guns and the ultra partisan politics you guys have in the US that seem to pretty much encourage the hate.
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Should probably count himself lucky he wasn't shot.
angrysoba
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so people just hide them under the bed. or practice until they can change mags real quick.
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