The Russian Invasion of Ukraine Part 4

[Oystein]

I thought I heard/read they were also getting artillery with a greater range than the Russians are presently using against Ukraine.

A general word of caution:

What we hear may not be what's really important and decisive.
What we hear is definitely biased - one way or another.
What we hear may be untrue, or only partially true, or be presented without significant caveats and qualifiers.

For example:
We have NOT been hearing much about logistics problems lately, or have we? That was a huge issue in the early weeks - when Russia was struggling.
No, Russia is concentrating the fighting close to territory it controls tightly, and thus they enjoy short and relatively safe supplies and and supply routes.
On the other hand, Ukraine increasingly suffers disruption of logistics lines (Russia fires missiles at railroads, bridges all over the country), and also has very long supply lines - are we certain that Ukraine can move all that heavy gear, keep it fueled and stocked with the requisite kinds and numbers of ammo?

I am convinced Ukraine and her US/NATO intelligence supporters keep very quiet about the really important details of what is and isn't supplied and deployed.

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[Childlike Empress]

Visit the former Azov HQ in Yurevka near Mariupol:

 

[Childlike Empress]

Even if the Russians do succeed in their current offensive, what next? They still won't be anywhere close to forcing Ukraine to surrender, but the Russian economy and the Russian Army will be that much closer to complete collapse.

It isn't about forcing Ukraine to surrender, it is about de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine. Those are the stated goals. At least the latter seems to be pretty much close to success if you watch the videos I just posted above.

Evil Incarnated even stated several times that he doesn't care if Kolomoiski's Comedian stays in place or not.

 

[eerok]

It isn't about forcing Ukraine to surrender, it is about de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine. Those are the stated goals.

But most of us know those are lies.

 

[dasmiller]

It isn't about forcing Ukraine to surrender, it is about de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine. Those are the stated goals. At least the latter seems to be pretty much close to success if you watch the videos I just posted above.

In 2014, Ukraine's military didn't put up any significant resistance. In 2022, Ukraine's military has fought the vaunted Russian military to a standstill. In fact, due to the Russian 'special operation,' Ukraine's military has received large quantities of advanced weapons that they probably never would have gotten otherwise.

I don't think the 'de-militarization' part is going very well for Russia.

 

[slyjoe]

In 2014, Ukraine's military didn't put up any significant resistance. In 2022, Ukraine's military has fought the vaunted Russian military to a standstill. In fact, due to the Russian 'special operation,' Ukraine's military has received large quantities of advanced weapons that they probably never would have gotten otherwise.

I don't think the 'de-militarization' part is going very well for Russia.

More like the Russians "re-militarized" Ukraine.

 

[shemp]

Tip: If your army has a new piece of big artillery, don't do a news report showing its position. It might get blown up.

https://twitter.com/ukikaski/status/1528100518547054595

MORONS!

 

[Aridas]

To poke at the apparent current state of the Popasna salient -

Popasna Update: Russians are attacking the following towns(marked in yellow on the map):
Troits'ke, Plypchatyne, Volodymryivka(Heavily Contested), Vasylivka, Nyrkove, Vrubivka, Katerynivka.
Russians are trying to advance on the bigger towns of Zolote and Hirs'ke with no success.

No direct further gains yet, though, by the look of it. This splitting of forces is again reminiscent of Izyum, though, and also gives the Ukrainian artillery a lot more opportunities to whittle away at Russian forces.

 

[Wildy]

It isn't about forcing Ukraine to surrender, it is about de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine. Those are the stated goals. At least the latter seems to be pretty much close to success if you watch the videos I just posted above.

So where does the land grab enter into it?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Tip: If your army has a new piece of big artillery, don't do a news report showing its position. It might get blown up.

https://twitter.com/ukikaski/status/1528100518547054595

MORONS!

And if I am not mistaken, a similar thing happened to that ship (Saratov?) in Berdyansk(?). Maybe even the same guy?

 

[a_unique_person]

It isn't about forcing Ukraine to surrender, it is about de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine. Those are the stated goals. At least the latter seems to be pretty much close to success if you watch the videos I just posted above.

Evil Incarnated even stated several times that he doesn't care if Kolomoiski's Comedian stays in place or not.

It's about removing all things Ukraine from Ukraine.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The Ukrainian government says it won't agree a ceasefire deal with Russia that involves giving up territory.
Kyiv would not follow calls in the West for an urgent ceasefire that involved Russian forces remaining in territory they occupy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/wor...89e9ceb622de4ef9122198&pinned_post_type=share

 

[jimbob]

There are far right crackpots in every country in the world, including Russia. As an excuse to invade another country, it's about as lame as it's possible to get.

Remember the head of the Wagner group, which is riddled with Nazi worshipers and who has SS rank badges tattooed on his body in the correct location for SS uniforms and who has Kremlin approval. Mainly because it seems to be their deniable mercenary group.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

But the Special Military Witchhunt is only a hunt for Ukrainian witches. Stop looking at those Russian ones. And the demilitarisation aspect is proceeding to plan except for the single detail that the intended side is massively rearming while the other side is disarming itself piece by piece. On balance there are fewer weapons in the world; Russia's gift to the world.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Tip: If your army has a new piece of big artillery, don't do a news report showing its position. It might get blown up.

https://twitter.com/ukikaski/status/1528100518547054595

MORONS!

It shows the importance of fire and movement.
What's the point of putting the weapon an a vehicle if you are just going to leave it in one place to be targeted?

Do we know that is the same vehicle?

 

[ThatGuy11200]

It shows the importance of fire and movement.
What's the point of putting the weapon an a vehicle if you are just going to leave it in one place to be targeted?

Do we know that is the same vehicle?

It would be funnier if it isn't. To think that the original repositioned itself after firing, only for another to drive up to the same location afterwards.

I wouldn't put it past the Russians to misunderstand the point of 'fire and move'.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It doesn't look like the same location.
Chances are it is the same as there are only very few of them.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It doesn't look like the same location.
Chances are it is the same as there are only very few of them.

Agreed. It's plausibly the same general location but I can't identify any features that match the buildings or indeed identify the vehicle. May well be a true story but the video is not proof so far as I can see. In the last few seconds as the view widens we can see it's a larger group of buildings, with fires in other places too, so it's a larger attack than a single strike on a specific vehicle target.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Russia has only 10 of them operational (well, now they have 9)

 

[Craig4]

Agreed. It's plausibly the same general location but I can't identify any features that match the buildings or indeed identify the vehicle. May well be a true story but the video is not proof so far as I can see. In the last few seconds as the view widens we can see it's a larger group of buildings, with fires in other places too, so it's a larger attack than a single strike on a specific vehicle target.

There's another video further down that shows the whole engagement. It did move from the original spot but it was in the same building complex when the Ukrainians took it out.