Today's Mass Shooting

[Kestrel]

You all, he livestreamed the terrorists attack saying he's a white supremacists nationalist. This is not a debatable point.

Is there a reliable source for that information?

False rumors are common after this kind of event.

 

[Thermal]

You all, he livestreamed the terrorists attack saying he's a white supremacists nationalist. This is not a debatable point.

I don't think anyone is debating it?

 

[tyr_13]

Is there a reliable source for that information?

False rumors are common after this kind of event.

Yeah, and the police confirmed it just a minute ago.

Edit: Not at my computer but the press conference just ended and the unconfirmed rumor part isn't if he live streamed it or not. The only unconfirmed rumor I've heard so far is that the white supremacist is from around my area.

 

[Thermal]

Police say the shooter didn't even live in Buffalo, where the shooting took place.

 

[tyr_13]

Police say the shooter didn't even live in Buffalo, where the shooting took place.

I also don't live in Buffalo. This shooter drove for more than an hour to get to the Tops that has mostly black shoppers.

 

[Lurch]

Speak for yourself. Millions of people of all races are responsible enough to be gun owners. And they are. You're making the case that the only rights people should have are what the least common denominator can handle.

What other rights are you willing to give away in the name of security? Some people incite violence, so why should we have a First Amendment? Some people destroy evidence, so we should get rid of the Fourth Amendment, right?

Are you willing to practice what you preach in the name of shared responsibility? If your next door neighbor drives drunk, are you willing to give up your driver's license to prevent drunk driving? If the guy across the street turns out to be a rapist, are you willing to be chemically castrated to prevent rape?

Why should people lose their rights because of what other people do?

Then why not expand to more effective weapons for the common citizen? Grenades? LAW rockets? After all, a couple or few hits with bullets is not guaranteed to stop the threat.

More seriously, guns are a device with one primary--essentially singular--purpose; to kill or at least maim. And it allows to do this at beyond arm's reach, and requiring no more effort than to hold it and squeeze a trigger.

To compare it to a car or a knife is ludicrous. One can kill with bare hands or teeth, too. But guns, among the 'tools' available to the citizenry by which to mete out quick and violent death, reign supreme in potency, efficiency, reach, power, ease of use and rapidity of result. To be allowed to roam about with a killing device that can be used to mow down dozens (via extra magazines) of people without having to break a sweat is utter insanity.

An easy to use weapon like a gun, when ready to hand, makes for a mighty tempting means to settle a dispute in the heat of the moment. It's this aspect of humanity, our emotions, that make possession of a deadly instrument so fraught with danger. A knife requires to get within reach, which prospect can give pause. Being able to bust a cap from a safe distance imbues a heady sense of power.

And I need not mention accidents.

Anyway, what's so special about America that necessitates such ready access to guns? With an already shameful rate of gun violence compared to even many '****-hole' countries, will throwing more guns at people and adopting ever more lax restrictions bring this rate down? Are Americans such fearful, cowering wimps that they must be packing heat in order to feel safe and strong? Are Americans too dense to realize that an armed society is not a polite society, but is instead a paranoid society? Are Americans incapable of appreciating that the criminals will be quicker to start blasting when they know their victims have a fair chance of being armed? Are Americans unable to conceive that a law-abiding gun owner is until he isn't? Are Americans ignorant of the statistic that simply owning a gun increases the odds of death by gunfire? Are Americans so stupid they fail to see the simple math that more guns = more death by gunfire?

The gun afficionados will ignore reality and cling to fragile excuses in order to be able to keep stroking their Precious.

And the 2A is rendered irrelevant in modern times, if the old chestnut of guns being necessary to thwart a tyrannical government is mooted. Indeed, as Jan 6 shows us, it's more likely that the gun strokers are more likely to side with tyranny (better survival rate, if nothing else.)

I'm sick of that special form of American exceptionalism which holds guns as such exhalted objects that even a classroom full of little kids is an acceptable price to pay for the pleasure of possessing that instrument of death which mows them down.

And, on a national scale, without a shred of shame or guilt. Else sanity might have a chance to intervene.

 

[Thermal]

I also don't live in Buffalo.

I, uh, also don't live in Buffalo.

This shooter drove for more than an hour to get to the Tops that has mostly black shoppers.

Is this an area that is overwhelmingly black or something? Seems odd to drive so far, to a place it would be surprising that he even knew about.

 

[EaglePuncher]

nvm

 

[Trebuchet]

The poor guy was driven over the edge by BLM/Antifa/feminism/Obama/Satan/cancel culture/white genocide/immigrant caravans/all-of-the-above. But he's not a racist, because only black people and liberals can be racists.
Too smart to off himself, because he's seen the example of Kyle Rittenhouse.

Oops, sorry. I said "Obama/Satan", which every good rethuglican knows are the same thing.

 

[tyr_13]

Yeah, and the police confirmed it just a minute ago.

Edit: Not at my computer but the press conference just ended and the unconfirmed rumor part isn't if he live streamed it or not. The only unconfirmed rumor I've heard so far is that the white supremacist is from around my area.

Police say the shooter didn't even live in Buffalo, where the shooting took place.

I also don't live in Buffalo. This shooter drove for more than an hour to get to the Tops that has mostly black shoppers.

I, uh, also don't live in Buffalo.

I thought your post directly after mine was referring to the highlighted, that is to say that you were casting doubt on that rumor assuming I lived in Buffalo. My bad.

Is this an area that is overwhelmingly black or something? Seems odd to drive so far, to a place it would be surprising that he even knew about.

Yes, one of several areas in the great Buffalo metro area that are. When I'd go to visit my friends on Shepard street, the black people would yell stuff at me walking in (at the time usually 'Snowflake' which didn't mean the same thing and 'Matrix' because of my duster) and the white people would call me the n word walking out. That Tops is like three miles from there.

It's like racism exists or something and is trivially observable in everyday life to the point that the existence of it is not an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence every single time it comes up.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Coverage of mass shootings in the USA almost always goes to the "lone wolf" trope, especially when the shooter is white.
Be clear that the shooter is a white supremacist. And that his position is no longer fringe.

 

[tyr_13]

Coverage of mass shootings in the USA almost always goes to the "lone wolf" trope, especially when the shooter is white.
Be clear that the shooter is a white supremacist. And that his position is no longer fringe.

He cited several such shooters as praiseworthy. It isn't lone wolves; it's a decentralized movement.

EDIT: Of note, he cited international ones as well.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Some one catch me up, what's the excuse from our usual suspects as to why we shouldn't make this about race this time?

 

[tyr_13]

Some one catch me up, what's the excuse from our usual suspects as to why we shouldn't make this about race this time?

It's going to be some variation on 'Oh sure, you happened to be right this time, but you all jump to racism too quickly, what if the situation were very different from the reality of what actually happened and you called it racism? You wouldn't be so right if the situation were different.'

Or silence.

 

[JoeMorgue]

He literally had the N-word written on the sight of the rifle.

It's gonna be fun watching our "Make sure no discussion is ever 'too anti-racist' and I think all discussions are too anti-racist" on call attack squad deal with this one.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Some one catch me up, what's the excuse from our usual suspects as to why we shouldn't make this about race this time?

I'll catch you up as soon as you find one of your imaginary 'usual suspects' that are saying this isn't about race.

Until then, congratulations! You got a real racially motivated incident to go with all of the pretend ones you've accumulated.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I'll catch you up as soon as you find one of your imaginary 'usual suspects' that are saying this isn't about race.

Until then, congratulations! You got a real racially motivated incident to go with all of the pretend ones you've accumulated.

I just put an empty shoe down on the floor, if it fits you slide it on.

 

[tyr_13]

It's going to be some variation on 'Oh sure, you happened to be right this time, but you all jump to racism too quickly, what if the situation were very different from the reality of what actually happened and you called it racism? You wouldn't be so right if the situation were different.'

Or silence.

I'll catch you up as soon as you find one of your imaginary 'usual suspects' that are saying this isn't about race.

Until then, congratulations! You got a real racially motivated incident to go with all of the pretend ones you've accumulated.

Called it.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Called it.

Like moths to flames.

 

[tyr_13]

Looks like the shooter got his rifle in the Binghamton area (where my dad lives), specifically in Endicott. It was a Bushmaster XM-15 that had been modified to comply with the NY SAFE Act, including to have a fixed internal 10 round magazine (the shooter called this the 'cucked' version), which he then illegally modified to take higher cap swapable mags.

Trying to verify now, but it looks like he had an 180 page plan and explanation prepared.

EDIT: Source was his alleged Twitch account where he was livestreaming the attack, now taken down. Could be a fake, but found very shortly after the shooting by people claiming to have been on the start of his stream, and with details not publicly released until a couple hours ago.

EDIT 2: Police have confirmed they are investigating the 106 page manifesto (the .pdf is 180 pages, but only 106 have material). The Twitch account that the online sluths say it came from has been verified to have been the shooters.

EDIT 3: And unsurprisingly the manifesto advances the same 'Great Replacement Theory' pushed by the likes of Tucker Carlson and Trump, which lead to the shootings at the Tree of Life Synagogue, the El Paso Wal-Mart, and two mosques in New Zealand.