Today's Mass Shooting

[Bogative]

Correct. There was no mention at all of gangbangers, drug dealers and violent criminals at all in that thread until two and a half years after it started, when Bogative came in with his racial "its the darkies who are the real criminals" agenda and started spamming the thread with his off-topic posts. Until that time, everyone participating in that thead understood (or at least appeared to understand) what was being discussed, and looking at some of BluesJnr's own posts, even he knew this as well.

Here's what you claimed were the three the topics being discussed in this thread before I showed up with all my raycizms and spoiled the fun:

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  School spree shootings

• Workplace shootings

• Politically Or Religiously motivated spree shootings

How about a little fact checking on your claim?

Starting the very first day of this thread, someone linked to the GVA list of mass shootings which includes all mass shootings – including gangbangers, drug dealers and violent criminals, and not exclusively the rando types you have fictitiously claimed this thread is the subject of.

Here's a list of links to unique shootings discussed and linked to by members in this thread that have nothing to do with the criteria you claim the thread is supposed to be about.

The posts that do not meet your alleged criteria are by far the overwhelming majority in the part of the thread I searched.

This is just the first eight months(I was getting bored so I stopped there), over 1 1/2 years before I posted in this thread. The claims you have made come from willful ignorance, outright lies, or both

Post #12– Link to all mass shootings at GVA
Post #79 – Domestic violence at a car wash.
Post #107 – A brawl between migrants in France.
Post #115 – Drive-by shooting
Post #117 – Violent criminal shoots four cops
Post #187 – According to your claims, the OP with an off-topic shooting regarding rainbow people
Post #188 – Shooting on college campus that was not a spree shooting
Post #212 – LEO shot by a violent criminal
Post #216 – Mass stabbing in Japan
Post #217 – Teacher accidentally discharged his firearm, injuring students
Post #219 – LEO accidentally shoots himself
Post #229 – A link to GVA which covers all mass shootings
Post #412 – Gang bangers shoot up an art festival
Post #412 – Road rage shooting
Post #423 – Revenge killing at a newspaper, the shooter was not an employee/former employee
Post #577 – Two acquaintances shoot at one another
Post #585 – Chicago's random weekend shootings
Post #588 – More random Chicago mass shootings
Post #592 – Armed bystander prevents possible mass shooting
Post #600 – Revenge killing after losing in a videogame tournament
Post #607 – Another link to all mass shootings from GVA
Post #635 – the OP back with another shooting that does not match your alleged criteria
Post #676 – Domestic violence shooting



FACT CHECK: FALSE

 

[Bogative]

I got the impression he/she was responding to the, "it's whitey what commits most mass shootin's", vibe.

Exactly. Think of it as anti-racism.

 

[cmikes]

Leftists love to trot out the GVA data when they think the large number of gun violence instances helps support there ambitions for gun control. When the exact same data is used to prove that blacks commit the overwhelming majority of mass shootings, hilarity ensues.

On the one hand, the cognitive dissonance is somewhat entertaining. The Hate America crowd's ghoulish glee at discussing certain mass shootings while desperately ignoring the majority of mass shootings is definitely a masterclass in hypocrisy.

But on the other hand, outlets like Mother Jones make actually solving the problem much more difficult, which is obviously very bad. By not just ignoring, but actively concealing the majority of mass shootings that happen in this country, they lead people into trying to solve the wrong problem. We've seen examples in this very thread of people completely misinformed about shootings in the US. How many people are absolutely convinced that if we could just could rid of white males, mass shootings would be a thing of the past?

Not to say that crazy people acting crazily or terrorism (domestic or foreign) isn't a problem that needs solving, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the traditional criminal and gang violence that goes on every day.

If you're in a car wreck and your leg is missing and you're bleeding to death, are you going to worry about the scratch on your arm?

 

[smartcooky]

On the one hand, the cognitive dissonance is somewhat entertaining. The Hate America crowd's ghoulish glee at discussing certain mass shootings while desperately ignoring the majority of mass shootings is definitely a masterclass in hypocrisy.

Criminal gangs selling drugs, trading in stolen goods, expanding territories and getting into firefights in which innocent bystanders become collateral damage happens in almost every country in the world - criminal violence is globally ubiquitous - and you can't simply put that all down to black people the way Bogative does, you don't find blacks involved in such violence in Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Greece, Spain etc.

Asking why it is that America is so hugely over-represented in seemingly motiveless spree shootings in schools, workplaces and religious venues is NOT "hating America" and NOT "ghoulish glee"!

Concern, discussion, debate and the expression of opinions about about why school and workplace shootings happen is not "ghoulish glee"!

Asking questions about what drives people like Nicolas Cruz, Dylan Kleebold, Eric Harris and Adam Lanza to rampage through a school killing children is not "ghoulish glee"!

But on the other hand, outlets like Mother Jones make actually solving the problem much more difficult, which is obviously very bad. By not just ignoring, but actively concealing the majority of mass shootings that happen in this country, they lead people into trying to solve the wrong problem. We've seen examples in this very thread of people completely misinformed about shootings in the US.

What a very naive and simplistic view. Not all things that look similar are the same, and they don't all have the same causes.

The issues surrounding multiple killings due to criminal gangs and violence are not at all related to the issues surrounding school shootings and workplace shootings, even though some of the outcomes might look superficially similar, and only fools and people with specific agendas in mind dismiss them as the same. For example, in a school shooting, everyone is a target. A school shooter will, often systematically, kill or try to kill everyone they encounter - students, teachers, security guards, police, anyone who happens to be at that school at that time is an intended target. This is not so in criminal gang v gang violence, other rival criminal gang members are the targets, innocent bystanders are not, they are just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

How many people are absolutely convinced that if we could just could rid of white males, mass shootings would be a thing of the past?

Strawman - no-one, absolutely no-one has made that argument.

Not to say that crazy people acting crazily or terrorism (domestic or foreign) isn't a problem that needs solving, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the traditional criminal and gang violence that goes on every day.

As I said, they are different things - a different debate, with different causes and they will have different solutions.

If you're in a car wreck and your leg is missing and you're bleeding to death, are you going to worry about the scratch on your arm?

False equivalence. Your injuries are a result of the same cause - the car wreck. This is not the case with criminally motivated gang violence and seemingly motiveless spree shootings.

 

[Bogative]

A few updates on my last post.

Three black men, Jewayne M Price, Marquise Love Robinson and Amari Sincere-Jamal Smith, have been arrested for the mall shooting in Columbia, South Carolina.

Dimione Jamal Walker, the second shooter from the Cedar Rapids, Iowa mass shooting, has been arrested. He is also a black man.

Mtula Payton and Davazia Turner, both black men, the third and fourth of five shooters in the Sacramento, California not-a-real-mass-shooting mass shooting have been arrested.

Two videos, both from inside the Pittsburgh Airbnb shooting are available on social media. Definitely not safe for work. Mainly because of language.

https://twitter.com/DanMcCaughan/status/1515656502664732674?s=20&t=CpivRwrlU1bGCViHktTWsg

https://twitter.com/WeViralTv/status/1516311732649668610?s=20&t=CpivRwrlU1bGCViHktTWsg

There are nearly 2 minutes of volley after volley after volley of gunfire in one of the videos.

Every gunshot victim was 17 or younger. The suspect description was available. Judging from the videos, they're not going to be the MAGA'r types.

 

[Warp12]

A few updates on my last post.

Three black men, Jewayne M Price, Marquise Love Robinson and Amari Sincere-Jamal Smith, have been arrested for the mall shooting in Columbia, South Carolina.

Dimione Jamal Walker, the second shooter from the Cedar Rapids, Iowa mass shooting, has been arrested. He is also a black man.

Mtula Payton and Davazia Turner, both black men, the third and fourth of five shooters in the Sacramento, California not-a-real-mass-shooting mass shooting have been arrested.

Are we certain these suspects are black? The names sound Jewish.

 

[Bogative]

Are we certain these suspects are black? The names sound Jewish.

Do Jews have "gangs" they can scapegoat for their criminal behavior?

I may have missed it in the videos from the Pittsburgh Airbnb videos, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a bar or bat mitzvah celebration.

Just to avoid any confusion, here are some links to the definitely not-Jewish shooters.


SC mall shooters –
https://www.mixedarticle.com/who-is...at-was-his-motive-for-south-carolina-shooting
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaPDSC/status/1516431626649194505
https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mall-shooting-third-suspect-10g-reward

SAC shooters –
https://abc7.com/sacramento-mass-shooting-downtown-california-victims/11711228/
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2...shooting-gunman-shooter-suspect-mtula-payton/
https://showbizcorner.com/devazia-turner-obituary

Cedar Rapids shooters –
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...arge-in-cedar-rapids-mass-shooting/ar-AAW67I3
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending...hurt-cedar-rapids/RO23DFOWINAAZHHCFOH6EPXZOU/

 

[mgidm86]

Guns are inanimate objects. People are responsible for their own actions. Or are cars responsible for drunk driving? Are knives responsible for stabbings? If guns are controlling people's minds and forcing criminals to shoot people, why does that not apply to any other inanimate object?

"Man stabs 50 people from a high-rise window in Las Vegas!" will never happen. I could rest my case right there.

Children are shooting each other every day in this country. Not in England, not in Japan, not in Iran or Cambodia, but here. Children. Daily.

Not important enough?

What is the most obvious difference between us and these other countries? The availability of guns to whoever wants them.

You are correct though, it is the person who is the problem. People simply are not capable of being responsible enough to own guns. Certainly not enough of us.

This is why I can buy their stolen guns off the guy down the street from where I work. People are not responsible enough to own guns. The statistics speak for themselves, and loudly.

Maybe one day we can move into the 21st 20th century. The gun fetish in this country is a disgrace.

Guns: overall benefit or detriment to our society?

Let's put guns on trial and see where they stand.

For something to be a "right" it should be simple to demonstrate the overall good is has provided us all.

 

[mgidm86]

The comment I made earlier was in regards to this thread turning into an argument about who the worst gun offenders are.

"Black people can't handle the responsibility!" "No it's white people!" "No, it's school children."

You're all correct! It is all of us. We are not responsible enough. Stupid thread.

 

[cmikes]

The comment I made earlier was in regards to this thread turning into an argument about who the worst gun offenders are.

"Black people can't handle the responsibility!" "No it's white people!" "No, it's school children."

You're all correct! It is all of us. We are not responsible enough. Stupid thread.

Speak for yourself. Millions of people of all races are responsible enough to be gun owners. And they are. You're making the case that the only rights people should have are what the least common denominator can handle.

What other rights are you willing to give away in the name of security? Some people incite violence, so why should we have a First Amendment? Some people destroy evidence, so we should get rid of the Fourth Amendment, right?

Are you willing to practice what you preach in the name of shared responsibility? If your next door neighbor drives drunk, are you willing to give up your driver's license to prevent drunk driving? If the guy across the street turns out to be a rapist, are you willing to be chemically castrated to prevent rape?

Why should people lose their rights because of what other people do?

 

[Bogative]

2 dead juveniles, 8 wounded. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
ShotSpotters (a tool of white supremacy, according to some) alerted police to over 90 shots at an airbnb party attended by approximately 200 individuals, mostly juveniles. Multiple shooters fired over 50 rounds inside of the house and 50 rounds outside of the house. No suspect descriptions currently available, that's just a minor formality at this point.
https://triblive.com/news/banner/police-11-shot-2-dead-on-pittsburghs-north-side/

An update on this shooting from Pittsburgh. Police are looking for a black man who is one of at least two shooters.

15 wounded, 1 killed – Dallas, Texas – April 3
Fight at a rap concert turned into gunplay. Four juveniles ages 13, 14 and 15 were among the wounded. 26-year-old Kealon Dejuane Gilmore did not survive. No suspect description given…
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/c...llas/287-9541ead0-8927-4dab-9197-e2f70cf7395e

And an update on this mass shooting from Dallas. Police have arrested two black men, they are looking for more shooters.



By my count, of the 13 mass shootings with 10 or more victims, there are 19 identified trigger pullers, all of them black, none of them MAGArs.

More to come.

 

[Andy_Ross]

It's a hobby I suppose.

 

[smartcooky]

Why should people lose their rights because of what other people do?

You see, this is just a big ******* strawman, a bare faced lie, and its one that self-obsessed rampant gun-nuts just keep repeating ad nausuem.

No-one, but NO-ONE here is arguing that Americans in general, should not be allowed to own and use guns. All that most people want is some minimum, MINIMUM standards to apply to people who want to own and use guns. FFS, you require people to prove they are capable of driving a car (study, then take a written driving test and then pass practical exam) before they are allowed to own and drive a car, yet in many states, you allow anyone to buy a ******* gun (a machine, the express purpose of which is to kill, and which is far more dangerous than a car) with no instruction whatsoever, and no indication that they even know how to use it!

Those Americans who want to see tougher gun laws are in the majority.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...wners-and-non-owners-but-also-some-agreement/

84% support requiring all gun purchasers to go through a background check - and that includes 77% of Republicans and 72% of all NRA members.

87% want people with mental illnesses prevented from purchasing or owning guns.

81% want private gun sales and sales at shows subject to background checks.

64% would like to see a Federal gun database to keep track of guns.

63% would like to see assault weapons banned.

 

[mgidm86]

Speak for yourself. Millions of people of all races are responsible enough to be gun owners. And they are. You're making the case that the only rights people should have are what the least common denominator can handle.

What other rights are you willing to give away in the name of security? Some people incite violence, so why should we have a First Amendment? Some people destroy evidence, so we should get rid of the Fourth Amendment, right?

Are you willing to practice what you preach in the name of shared responsibility? If your next door neighbor drives drunk, are you willing to give up your driver's license to prevent drunk driving? If the guy across the street turns out to be a rapist, are you willing to be chemically castrated to prevent rape?

Why should people lose their rights because of what other people do?

We do things to mitigate drunk driving. But every step taken to make gun owners more responsible is fought tooth and nail. No meaningful gun legislation can be passed.

Give me some statistics that will convince me that our kids shooting each other every single day in this country is worth it so that people can own handguns.

If we are putting up with so many people dying every day then guns must be very VERY important to us. That means it should be trivial to explain why. A right is pretty important so its positives should be obvious to point out!

Sell me the idea that guns are an overall good thing as they are in this country right now. Again, this should be trivial. Show me where the good outweighs the bad.

As a bonus, explain to me why other countries don't need an armed populace in order for its citizens to feel safe. Why only us?

And do this without mentioning other rights we have. Sell me the 2nd amendment on its own merits.

 

[Kestrel]

Mass Shooting at a Buffalo, NY grocery store. Early reports indicate eight dead and one suspect in custody.

 

[Thermal]

Mass Shooting at a Buffalo, NY grocery store. Early reports indicate eight dead and one suspect in custody.

Current count is at least 10 dead. Young white guy is the shooter in custody, apprehended alive and in camo and armor.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It makes no sense whatsoever. I guess we'll have to wait to see why this creep picked that market.


Looks like young white creep shoots and kills random black people.

 

[tyr_13]

It makes no sense whatsoever. I guess we'll have to wait to see why this creep picked that market.

Racially motivated hate crime. This isn't a tough call. Just waiting for the manifesto drop.

 

[Kestrel]

It makes no sense whatsoever. I guess we'll have to wait to see why this creep picked that market.

A year later we still don’t know why the creep picked the Boulder, Colorado supermarket.

 

[tyr_13]

You all, he livestreamed the terrorists attack saying he's a white supremacists nationalist. This is not a debatable point.