The Roe Countdown

[The Great Zaganza]

Court Expansion, followed by Packing is a much better idea than trying to impeach judges.
Factual Term Limits are an even better idea, as it disincentivizes putting babies like Amy on the Court.

 

[angrysoba]

Court Expansion, followed by Packing is a much better idea than trying to impeach judges.Factual Term Limits are an even better idea, as it disincentivizes putting babies like Amy on the Court.

Almost certainly doomed, though.

Democrats won't get 50 votes to confirm their justices.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Though probably duplicitous, I think the justices could argue that that was their opinion at the time of the confirmation hearings, but that they had changed their minds. Hard to prove otherwise.

Yes, it's duplicitous. Who cares? Losing honorably is for the movies, in real life it sucks. Dems need to dump this loser mentality ASAP and start actually trying to win.

It doesn't really matter, the point of impeachment isn't to find truth, it's to remove these justices.

Democrats are at a crossroads here. Either they admit that current court is illegitimate and act accordingly to correct this, or they accept that their political project is dead for at least 20 years while we wait for these ghouls to serve out their life appointments.

It's hard to see how the latter is a viable political strategy that doesn't end in the right formalizing themselves as a permanent ruling minority.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Almost certainly doomed, though.

Democrats won't get 50 votes to confirm their justices.

It's clear they can't do anything right now.

The question is how are they going to frame their coming election campaigns? What corrections are they going to offer as incentive to get people to vote for them?

Do they run on an explicit "pack the court" (or other similar aggressive correction), or do they pretend to be bound by the rules of CalvinBall and tacitly admit that the liberal political project is dead for a lifetime. One seems far more likely to gin up enthusiasm than the other.

ETA: Considering the dem leadership is currently out stumping for an anti-abortion candidate, the outlook is quite grim.

 

[angrysoba]

It's clear they can't do anything right now.

The question is how are they going to frame their coming election campaigns? What corrections are they going to offer as incentive to get people to vote for them?

Do they run on an explicit "pack the court" (or other similar aggressive correction), or do they pretend to be bound by the rules of CalvinBall and tacitly admit that the liberal political project is dead for a lifetime. One seems far more likely to gin up enthusiasm than the other.

ETA: Considering the dem leadership is currently out stumping for an anti-abortion candidate, the outlook is quite grim.

I guess they could point out that this is evidence that there actually IS systemic bias towards conservative views that are enshrineed in the laws of the country, but that sounds too close to CRT which we all know is completely without foundation in pointing out the very obvious white biases that exist in the country.

The very fact that right-wingers are laughing it up at how they have played the system, while also expressing outrage that anyone has exposed the system also somehow works in their favour.

 

[mumblethrax]

Admit it: what you really object to is the Constitution itself.

Why would that be an admission? The Constitution is antiquated, undemocratic horse ****, the DNA of our profoundly broken body politic.

 

[JoeMorgue]

And now we reach the point where the Right will try to convince it truly, deeply cares about the Constitution.

 

[cosmicaug]

IOW you are only looking at the end result of those particular "unwanted pregnancies" without any information about why/how birth control failed. Instead your posts say you blame women and believe making abortion illegal will result in fewer abortions.

Why wouldn't you blame women? Those sluts!

Nope, it won't decrease abortions. Making abortions safe, legal and rare doesn't come from making abortion illegal. We know that because abortions were not rare before Roe v Wade.

What really matters is those Slutty McSluts shall be punished for having sex. Amirite, Warpie?

 

[eerok]

Here's an interesting development.

The Satanic Temple plans to use the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) to ensure its members can still perform religious abortion rituals with Mifepristone and Misoprostol, even in states that completely ban abortion access. They will also possibly open religious abortion facilities. (reddit.com)

 

[angrysoba]

Here's an interesting development.

The Satanic Temple plans to use the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) to ensure its members can still perform religious abortion rituals with Mifepristone and Misoprostol, even in states that completely ban abortion access. They will also possibly open religious abortion facilities. (reddit.com)

Yes… “interesting development”

 

[Ziggurat]

And now we reach the point where the Right will try to convince it truly, deeply cares about the Constitution.

No. We have reached the point where the Left admits that it doesn't care about the Constitution at all.

Why would that be an admission? The Constitution is antiquated, undemocratic horse ****, the DNA of our profoundly broken body politic.

 

[Ziggurat]

Court Expansion, followed by Packing is a much better idea than trying to impeach judges.

Because that can't possibly produce any undesired consequences.

 

[cosmicaug]

Here's an interesting development.

The Satanic Temple plans to use the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) to ensure its members can still perform religious abortion rituals with Mifepristone and Misoprostol, even in states that completely ban abortion access. They will also possibly open religious abortion facilities. (reddit.com)

Pushing access to abortion as part of their religious beliefs has been part of their activism for a while but I don't know how hard they have pushed it or how effective (if at all?) it has been (I assume it's had zero impact?).

 

[JoeMorgue]

No. We have reached the point where the Left admits that it doesn't care about the Constitution at all.

No it admits the Constitution is a living document designed to be made better with time.

And again spare me the moral outrage from the "Storm the Capital in a Coup" crowd.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Pushing access to abortion as part of their religious beliefs has been part of their activism for a while but I don't know how hard they have pushed it or how effective (if at all?) it has been (I assume it's had zero impact?).

It will have none. The "Freedom of Religion is only for Christians" thing is no longer the subtext.

Again there is no "One weird trick" we're going to trap the Right in.

 

[cosmicaug]

Because that can't possibly produce any undesired consequences.

• It's all talk. Democrats won't do it for... reasons.
  
• Watch the GOP do it as soon as they get the power in the other two branches ('cause you gotta lock this **** down!).
  
• Watch you come to the realization that it's not a big deal, after all (when it's not about the Democrats anymore).
• And besides, it will be the Democrats fault, if you really think about it.

 

[mumblethrax]

No. We have reached the point where the Left admits that it doesn't care about the Constitution at all.

Again, this is not an admission. Why would anyone, particularly free-thinkers, care about the sacred capital-c Constitution, handed down to us by the holy Founding Fathers? It's a wildly undemocratic, antiquated document at the center of a cargo cult. None of us have ever voted for it. Indeed, the only popular vote ever held on it resulted in a vote against it. We don't even get asked about our support for our constitution. There's almost no polling data on the document at the center of our laws and politics. Doesn't that strike people as peculiar?

This idea that we should care about such an obviously flawed document is arrant pseudo-religious nonsense.

 

[cosmicaug]

It will have none. The "Freedom of Religion is only for Christians" thing is no longer the subtext.

Again there is no "One weird trick" we're going to trap the Right in.

I mean, they've had some small victories with things with little significance like monuments, after school programs and such; but I can't say I foresee them achieving anything of significance with the abortion as sacrament angle. This is not to say that the things they have done don't matter.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Because that can't possibly produce any undesired consequences.

We already have undesired consequences.

 

[cosmicaug]

We are not even talking about fetal personhood. We are talking about zygotic pershonhood.

From https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/news/2022/05/04/louisiana-lawmakers-advance-bill-make-abortion-crime
-murder/9648833002/

A Louisiana legislative committee on Wednesday advanced a bill to make abortion a crime of homicide in which the mother or those assisting her in terminating the pregnancy can be charged.

The measure cleared the House Appropriations Committee on a 7-2 vote despite at least one of the representatives voting in favor acknowledging the bill is unconstitutional.

Rep. Danny McCormick said his House Bill 813 should move forward even though the U.S. Supreme Court seems poised to overturn Roe v. Wade that guarantees abortion rights as soon as June, according to an opinion leaked from the high court this week.

"We can't wait on the Supreme Court," said McCormick, a Republican from Oil City.

McCormick's bill says the unborn should be protected at fertilization.

He said the Rev. Brian Gunter of First Baptist Church in Livingston helped author the bill.

"No compromises; no more waiting," Gunter said. "The bloodshed in our land is so great we have a duty ... to protect the least of these among us."

[...]

The measure now goes to the full House for debate.