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As I've been reminded recently from scientific sources rather than political ones, it's not just age; it's also lead-head. Lead was introduced into gasoline in the 1920s, when cars weren't very common, but, the more common cars got throughout the mid-20th century, the more lead got into people until about 1980 or so. (Its banning was sudden, but its presence faded gradually because there were still old cars running on it.)

People who were born & grew up in that era spent their lives with many times the natural level of lead in them, and to some extent still have it because it soaks into bones and takes a long time to gradually leech back out. And even tiny amounts of excess lead are known to not only decrease IQ and ability to mentally adjust to changes in information but also result in lower empathy and more hostility & sociopathy. You can see it not only in the differences between how the generations vote and how likely they are to present certain kinds of political & economic arguments, but also in the generations' different crime rates.

It happened to Rome to a greater extent because of lead pipes (the Latin word for lead literally giving us the word "plumbing"), and it happened again to a lesser extent because of automobile exhaust in the atmosphere. The current world is essentially an "insane asylum" where the neurologically stunted patients/inmates somehow reproduced healthier, more reasonable, less hateful, better offspring than themselves and raised them in the asylum and told them that they way things are in the asylum is the way things need to always be.
 
As an aside, most General Aviation piston aircraft burn 100LL (low lead) fuel. Though lower in lead that the 100/130 it replaced, it still has a lot.

Good new is they’re working on making an unleaded aviation fuel that meets the requirements without using lead. Also, many smaller “sport” aircraft are powered with ROTAX engines that are designed to run best on unleaded auto fuel. They can run 100LL if that’s all that’s available at an airport, which is most often the case, but doing so entails slightly shortened maintenance intervals due to the excess lead going through the engine.
 
This all sounds like the arguments over health care in the USA as well. You have grown up in a society where these things have to be paid for and make a profit for someone. We pay something towards higher education here in the UK but nothing like the huge amounts you pay in the USA, and the system seems to work pretty well. My own alma mater Edinburgh is well regarded as a teaching and research establishment around the world. It is not there to make money for people though, it is there for educational purposes. Similarly health care. You don't pay for an ambulance to take you to hospital and you don't pay for life saving surgery. The costs largely come out of general taxation which may mean we pay a bit more tax but we don't get a huge and unexpected bill when sickness strikes. If you really want to go private here in the UK you can, but the vast majority of health care is not provided as a business to make money. Unless the USA can change its societal commitment to profiteering, you'll never find an answer to problems like these.

Agreed. But conservatives are so brainwashed that capitalism and socialism are completely incompatible that it's doubtful this will happen, at least at anytime within the next several decades. Conservatives tend to see things in black and white instead of realizing that most things in life are shades of gray and that gray means having to compromise to make things work.
 
It's not quite that simple, I think. It's a matter of age gaps and anti-entitlement sentiment. The Democrats' goal is to make things better for everyone, or try to, which is laudable. But right now they're also a gerontocracy, so "better" is largely defined in the context of problems they remember having in the good old days. Student loans were not one of those problems. So the olds don't understand why the young folks aren't being more appreciative of Biden's efforts to address something they don't even see as a problem in the first place (read the last page or two if you disagree), while the youngs see a backhanded token gesture from Biden that does nothing to fix the broken system he campaigned on fixing.

You are right that there are parallels to health care discussions. Both health and education have evolved tremendously over the course of the past few decades, not always for the better, with political arguments lagging behind.

I'm so tired of baby boomers...the old folks, the "gerontocracy", the "olds" being blamed for the ills of this country. Who do you think were the very people who tried to make "things better for everyone" in the 60's and 70's? Who were the people behind the civil rights movement, the LGBTQ rights movement, etc? It sure as **** weren't the young Republicans. This isn't a matter of age; it's a matter of outlook, of philosophy. I'm 68 and, if anything, I have become more liberal as I got older.

The survey by AP Votecast, reported by The Wall Street Journal, found that 49 percent of voters 65 and older voted Republican this election cycle, compared to 48 percent who voted Democrat
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...ng-for-republicans-are-americans-65-or-older/

That's a ONE PERCENT difference.

This is from 2016:

Research from Pew Research Center has found that baby boomers (those age 50 to 68) are less likely to identify with the label Republican than the uncomfortably titled silent generation (who are age 69 to 86).
Don’t forget though, correlation doesn’t mean causality – the reasons why older voters lean Republican isn’t necessarily their age per se. Older Americans are more likely to be white and they’re also more likely to be religious (Protestant or Catholic in particular) – and both of those demographic groups also tend to vote Republican for reasons that are quite separate from pension plans.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...cans-vote-republican-fact-check-election-2016

There are more voters in the 50-68 (now 56-74) than the 69 to 86 (now 75 to 92) age bracket.

Half of all Democrats are age 50 and up and there are a hell of a lot more Democrats than Republicans.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...ace-and-ethnicity-age-education-and-religion/
 
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People who were born & grew up in that era spent their lives with many times the natural level of lead in them, and to some extent still have it because it soaks into bones and takes a long time to gradually leech back out. And even tiny amounts of excess lead are known to not only decrease IQ and ability to mentally adjust to changes in information but also result in lower empathy and more hostility & sociopathy. You can see it not only in the differences between how the generations vote and how likely they are to present certain kinds of political & economic arguments, but also in the generations' different crime rates.
An interesting hypothesis, but if true I would expect to see a greater effect in cities than in rural areas. What I actually see is, if anything, the reverse.
 
As I've been reminded recently from scientific sources rather than political ones, it's not just age; it's also lead-head. Lead was introduced into gasoline in the 1920s, when cars weren't very common, but, the more common cars got throughout the mid-20th century, the more lead got into people until about 1980 or so. (Its banning was sudden, but its presence faded gradually because there were still old cars running on it.)

People who were born & grew up in that era spent their lives with many times the natural level of lead in them*, and to some extent still have it because it soaks into bones and takes a long time to gradually leech back out. And even tiny amounts of excess lead are known to not only decrease IQ and ability to mentally adjust to changes in information but also result in lower empathy and more hostility & sociopathy. You can see it not only in the differences between how the generations vote and how likely they are to present certain kinds of political & economic arguments, but also in the generations' different crime rates.
It happened to Rome to a greater extent because of lead pipes (the Latin word for lead literally giving us the word "plumbing"), and it happened again to a lesser extent because of automobile exhaust in the atmosphere. The current world is essentially an "insane asylum" where the neurologically stunted patients/inmates somehow reproduced healthier, more reasonable, less hateful, better offspring than themselves and raised them in the asylum and told them that they way things are in the asylum is the way things need to always be.

You post was quite interesting until you got to the highlighted parts. Then you left a well supported premise and veered into letting your personal opinion affect your interpretation of the facts. For example, you linked 'lead head' to the difference in crime rates without mentioning other reasons:

Why Millennials Commit Fewer Crimes Than Gen-Xers

There are several reasons as to why this may be. First, Millennials are the most college-educated generation, which is generally linked to lower crime rates. Additionally, it’s possible that Millennials, who are overall empathetic and also, interestingly, more conservative than their parents’ generation, just don’t have the constitution for violent crime.

It could also be down to the economy; though Millennials have a harder time finding a job, many of them may also have the wealth of their parents to fall back on.

Additionally, the legalization or decriminalization of marijuana in many cities and states means that generally, the crimes that are most common with Millennials simply aren’t being charged as often.

Today’s young people also drink less, which is frequently cited as a factor in violent crimes.

Your last paragraph (highlighted) is just a personal and nonsensical ranting opinion not based on any evidence.

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Most of what we think of as the lost generation and the greatest generation and baby boomers [born pre-1965) had a moderate amount of lead exposure,” said Assistant Professor of Sociology Matt Hauer. “Generation X [1965-1980, ages 42- 57] was exposed to very high amounts of lead, and now millennials and the generation following them have been exposed to very low amounts of lead. That follows the trajectory of leaded gasoline use.”
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2118631119

Somehow...somehow....Boomers (of which I am one) and Gen Xers miraculously raised Millennials to be "healthier, more reasonable, less hateful, better offspring than themselves" because we all know that kids aren't influenced by how they're raised. :rolleyes:
 
An interesting hypothesis, but if true I would expect to see a greater effect in cities than in rural areas. What I actually see is, if anything, the reverse.
There's a reason why people think of cities as crime pits. It's because most they grew up in a world in which that was accurate. Just picking one city as an example although it looks about like this for most/all of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYC_murders2.png

The years across the bottom of that example are the years in which the NYC murders happened. If you adjust them all down a couple of decades or a bit more, you get roughly when the people who committed those crimes were born or were still young children. And then it fits pretty well with how much lead there was in the air for those years. So the crimes happened right when the most leaded-up generations of people hit peak crime ages, and went down when their lower-lead successors reached the same ages. One might then wonder what kind of behavior these generations would then get up to once they were well past peak crime age; I'll get back to that later.

In general, rural crime information is harder to find separately from urban crime information, because it doesn't get as much attention, because crime also generally scales with population density, and because rural subcultures pride themselves on their image of low crime and are thus less likely to collect & publish the data. Searching for crime rate trends with time and the word "rural" didn't yield anything, nor did replacing "rural" with "Wyoming" or "Montana". But I did find this example from Nebraska, showing crime going up & down at about the same times as in NYC:

https://www.americashealthrankings....easure/110/state/NE/facebook/size/600x300.jpg

In addition to the Nebraska example, here's one from the FBI which includes not only cities or a particular state but the whole country, which is about half-&-half rural/urban by population, and in this case they even explicitly included the time-adjusted lead graph as I suggested with the one from NYC above:

http://www.cambridgeblog.org/crime-vs-pb22-yrs/

So it looks about the same; including rural areas along with the cities doesn't dampen the effect of change with time. Rural crime rates might be lower at any given time than urban, but they move up & down in parallel over time. When one goes up, they both do, and when one goes down, they both do, regardless of which one is consistently lower or higher.

That actually fits what would be expected from environmental lead distribution; it's not particularly concentrated in cities but all over everywhere. How high the level was getting was first discovered by geologists & physicists trying to use element & isotope ratios to find the ages of rocks way out in deserts and seeing how far the abundance of lead on everything kept throwing off their results. It might have been getting released mostly in cities, but it blew around easily.

In fact, the lead signal in the data is so strong, and rural crime information on its own is so much less published than urban or combined information, that an image search for rural crime trends in the 20th century, without the word "lead" in the search at all, scooped up a bunch of results that weren't specific to rural locations and brought lead into the picture anyway... like these, where we can see that (taken whole countries at a time so urban & rural are both included) the same thing happened not only in the USA but also in Canada, Australia, the UK, and New Zealand, most of the last of which is globally about as far away from most major cities as you can get on land:

https://www.motherjones.com/wp-cont...g_lead_crime_international.jpg?resize=990,610

So, what would crime data and lead being pretty thoroughly distributed everywhere regardless of the urban/rural distinction have to do with political/economic/philosophical positions that are unempathetic/hostile but aren't crimes and seem more common in rural areas? Well, crime is just one symptom or set of symptoms of anti-social behavior (or the associated disorder), and lead is medically known to increase not just that one but the rest too.

Other aspects of antisocial behavior include, as Wikipedia puts it, "actions that harm or lack consideration for the well-being of others... any type of conduct that violates the basic rights of another person and any behaviour that is considered to be disruptive to others... covert and overt hostility". Arguing for policies that harm people certainly fits that, especially when the argument boils down to simply a complaint that the alternative would be too beneficial and help too much.

And the circumstances in which that's what we get just happen to be circumstances in which antisocial tendencies are known to be increased (such as unnaturally high lead levels) but crime is known to be decreased for unrelated reasons (such as being older than typical criminal age range and/or living in a low-population-density area where one is less often around many strangers). In other words, it's just what would be predicted by a theory that, when antisocial tendencies would be present but don't take the form of crimes, they take other forms instead, such as support of policies & philosophies that just financially/emotionally/culturally harm people for the sake of harming people. The generations that did the most crime when they were at peak criminal age got older and are now at the age of peak economic & political power & control. And what's changed about them is not whether they behave destructively to other people but just what form their destructiveness to other people takes. As Biden said it himself when asked about the fact that the problems facing young adults now are factually, objectively, mathematically much greater than they were for his generation, "Gimme a break! I have no empathy!". Meanwhile, the same principle applies geographically as well as chronologically: in low-crime locations, those who would do something antisocial are less likely to commit crime but more likely to favor hostile/hateful/judgemental philosophies and their resulting policies.
 
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you linked 'lead head' to the difference in crime rates without mentioning other reasons:
Your "other reasons" are excuses somebody concocted to avoid facing reality.

Millennials are the most college-educated generation, which is generally linked to lower crime rates.
Going to college doesn't reduce crime; the less criminal are more likely to go to college. Lead, on the other hand, does increase antisocial tendencies, which increase crime. (Also, college attendance has been increasing in general for a long time, and anything that's just going up can't be the explanation for something else going first up and then down, like crime and/or lead in this case.)

Additionally, it’s possible that Millennials, who are overall empathetic and also, interestingly, more conservative than their parents’ generation, just don’t have the constitution for violent crime.
The "more conservative" bit is not true and depends on some misleading definition-gamery at best, but, even if it were true, that sentence would just be an attempt to connect conservativeness with being inherently against violent crime... which is dishonest nonsense that only a lying or brainwashed conservative would tout.

It could also be down to the economy; though Millennials have a harder time finding a job, many of them may also have the wealth of their parents to fall back on.
...except that they just don't. (And it's not as if their parents didn't, at least not to any greater or lesser extent).

Additionally, the legalization or decriminalization of marijuana in many cities and states means that generally, the crimes that are most common with Millennials simply aren’t being charged as often.
Irrelevantly-colored fish of an irrelevant species. The crime statistics that are being compared are not and never have been marijuana crimes, and any effect being caused by changes in laws in certain specific jurisdictions would only happen in those jurisdictions, not everywhere including in jurisdictions where the alleged cause didn't even happen.

Today’s young people also drink less, which is frequently cited as a factor in violent crimes.
...and is also itself another sign of less lead, not another separate unrelated thing; kids & young adults know that drinking alcohol is something they're told they shouldn't do because it's harmful, and doing stuff you're told you shouldn't do because it's harmful is a classic description of one of the symptoms of antisocialness, which is what unnaturally high lead increases. So this one actually is just another part of what I was saying, not a contradiction or alternative to it.

Boomers (of which I am one) and Gen Xers miraculously raised Millennials to be "healthier, more reasonable, less hateful, better offspring than themselves" because we all know that kids aren't influenced by how they're raised. :rolleyes:
Scarecrow; nobody claimed that how kids are raised doesn't affect how they turn out. In fact, I even brought up the fact that it does so myself by even mentioning at all the bit about being told that the way things are in the asylum is how they must always be kept; it's part of the explanation for why even people in the post-lead generations still sometimes perpetuate the same antisocial attitudes of their leaded-up parents & grandparents. However, as I'm sure you already know perfectly well I was saying, there are also other factors affecting how people turn out, in addition to how their parents raised them, not instead of that. And less lead is a pretty big one of them.
 
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And even tiny amounts of excess lead are known to not only decrease IQ and ability to mentally adjust to changes in information but also result in lower empathy and more hostility & sociopathy. You can see it not only in the differences between how the generations vote and how likely they are to present certain kinds of political & economic arguments, but also in the generations' different crime rates.

I think it’s a reach to conclude that decreased intelligence is linked to voting Republican or Conservative or whatever. There are many quite bright people voting both ways. Is there an actual study correlating intelligence with political persuasion?
 
I'm so tired of baby boomers...the old folks, the "gerontocracy", the "olds" being blamed for the ills of this country. Who do you think were the very people who tried to make "things better for everyone" in the 60's and 70's? Who were the people behind the civil rights movement, the LGBTQ rights movement, etc? It sure as **** weren't the young Republicans. This isn't a matter of age; it's a matter of outlook, of philosophy. I'm 68 and, if anything, I have become more liberal as I got older.
Think back to those times, which were *checks watch* fifty years ago. What would you have thought of someone who was then 68? What do you think they would have thought of you at the time?

They were the very people who tried to make "things better for everyone" in the 10s and 20s. They fought for suffrage. They brought in the New Deal. Did you respect your elders, young Stacyhs, and let them set the pace of social adjustment on the strengths of their laurels from bygone ages? Or did you write them off as doddering old coots, maybe well-intentioned but archaic and hidebound in their perception of society's ills?

What, then, should the young members of your party think when they see their venerable leadership refuse to give up the torch, or fight for issues important to them, or even allow them their own voice in the party, because they did a thing fifty years ago?
 
I'm so tired of baby boomers...the old folks, the "gerontocracy", the "olds" being blamed for the ills of this country. Who do you think were the very people who tried to make "things better for everyone" in the 60's and 70's? Who were the people behind the civil rights movement, the LGBTQ rights movement, etc? It sure as **** weren't the young Republicans. This isn't a matter of age; it's a matter of outlook, of philosophy. I'm 68 and, if anything, I have become more liberal as I got older.

the counter-culture was just that, a radical counter-culture and not the mainstream. The boomers love to LARP like they were all there in the streets or doing LSD in their hippy communes, but they overwhelmingly weren't. Bunch of posers. Don't worry, I'm sure plenty of younger people are going to pretend they were in portland throwing tear gas back at cops in a couple decades instead of posting "back the blue" memes on Facebook and generally being bootlickers, or pretending they weren't rabid transphobes and were always cool with queer people. The boomers have no monopoly on the rosy lenses of self-revisionism.


In a 1986 poll for Time magazine, only a third of the generation said they had favored the social protests and demonstrations of the 1960s and ‘70s, and only a quarter said they took part in them. A mere 8% of respondents said they used marijuana regularly during the 1960s and ‘70s, although 26% acknowledged occasional use. And just 18% of those surveyed in a poll done for Rolling Stone magazine in 1987 said they had pursued a countercultural lifestyle in the late ‘60s.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2011-sep-12-la-oe-bowman-baby-boomers-more-conservative-20110912-story.html



As a matter of simple math, the baby boomers had nothing to do with the 60's civil rights movements. The earliest boomers were born in '45. All but the oldest boomers were still children during this era. The people getting bit by police dogs were not boomers.

The heyday of the boomer was later, the 80's through today (because grandpa won't give up his car keys). Reagan and Clinton era neoliberalism is their legacy.
 
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I think it’s a reach to conclude that decreased intelligence is linked to voting Republican or Conservative or whatever. There are many quite bright people voting both ways. Is there an actual study correlating intelligence with political persuasion?
There are a bunch, but that wasn't really the subject I was getting at, just a "not only this, but also that" tangent. The real point at the moment was about not intelligence but attitude, such as the attitude of opposing a policy that would help people and improve lives because they don't deserve it.

the counter-culture was just that, a radical counter-culture. The boomers love to LARP like they were all there in the streets or whatever, but they overwhelmingly weren't. Bunch of posers.
Even if they had been, that still wouldn't mean anything for the current subject. There's no contradiction at all in admitting that people who were forces for improvement on cultural issues long ago can be and are now forces for harm on economic issues.
 
"That no one, absolutely no one, should feel they have to do in order to pay for an education. Demanding that people should be willing to potentially die or worse, kill, before they complain about an obviously broken system or ask for lone forgiveness isn't a lot of things, including rational. Or moral."

Did I, anywhere in my thread, or did anyone else, demand that anyone should have to join the military? I clearly said it was an option. An option that both my husband (Navy submariner) and his brother (Air Force) chose.

Fighting and dying is of course the only way you support some people getting an education. Yes you are clear on that.
 
the counter-culture was just that, a radical counter-culture and not the mainstream. The boomers love to LARP like they were all there in the streets or doing LSD in their hippy communes, but they overwhelmingly weren't. Bunch of posers. Don't worry, I'm sure plenty of younger people are going to pretend they were in portland throwing tear gas back at cops in a couple decades instead of posting "back the blue" memes on Facebook and generally being bootlickers, or pretending they weren't rabid transphobes and were always cool with queer people. The boomers have no monopoly on the rosy lenses of self-revisionism.




https://www.latimes.com/opinion/la-xpm-2011-sep-12-la-oe-bowman-baby-boomers-more-conservative-20110912-story.html



As a matter of simple math, the baby boomers had nothing to do with the 60's civil rights movements. The earliest boomers were born in '45. All but the oldest boomers were still children during this era. The people getting bit by police dogs were not boomers.

The heyday of the boomer was later, the 80's through today (because grandpa won't give up his car keys). Reagan and Clinton era neoliberalism is their legacy.
That may be partly true, but I, being a 1947 boomer myself, did not imagine that I was at those peace marches. I was. I wasn't at Woodstock, but I sure as hell was in Washington and New York, and I even have the War Resisters League buttons to prove it. Ok, I'm being a little facetious there, even though I do have the buttons. I wasn't putting my life on the line, and I wasn't throwing bombs either, and maybe I was in an unfortunate minority, but I think we were trying to do something and it wasn't what our reprehensible contemporaries are doing now. A minority is always a minority, but you cannot pretend that it did not exist and did not at least try to do something real to change society.

And my sister (perhaps counting as a pre-boomer, having been born on Nagasaki day) did not imagine that she was being arrested and jailed for civil rights marches. Sure, most of the people being bitten by the dogs and clubbed were older, but not by much, and a lot of the impetus that made things happen came from those who were young.

I think part of the mistake is the identification of groups like "boomers" to begin with. So it's true, for example, that when I was 17, the organizers were older, most of the people I was marching with were too, and so they weren't "boomers," and most of my sister's cellmates were a little older, but plenty of the people doing this stuff were young then.

Many of our contemporaries have drunk the conservative Kool Aid, and are no doubt responsible for many evils and regressions and stupidities, just as their parents were when they got older and stupider, just as their children and grandchildren probably will too. But not all of us have forsaken all our principles. The people who were stupid then are stupid now, but it's not the fault of when we were born. To dismiss this, or pretend it was of no consequence is to skirt close to the conservative accusation of "virtue signaling," as if the unfortunate tendency of society to degenerate and regress and of people to resign and become stupid somehow marks the ferocious failures of youthful idealism as hypocritical.

Sure, I'm a Boomer and so is Donny McBonespurs. Ron de Santis, Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Matt Gaetz, etc. etc. are not. Don't blame us all for that ****.
 
Funny enough, one of the coolest and best things happening during Biden's admin is a nascent resurgence of union activism. Starbucks across the country are starting to unionize, and a huge Amazon warehouse in Staten Island just organized despite a well-funded opposition effort. Biden's NRLB is playing a significant role in these successful efforts, and it's arguable that neither would have been successful without this vigorous enforcement of labor law by the labor board that in recent history has been largely toothless.

One of the few good things happening under Biden and I'm only seeing it covered in alternative/progressive media. I suppose this makes sense, because unionization is an anathema to neoliberalism that is the mainstay of the Democratic party.

https://theintercept.com/2022/04/22/amazon-warehouse-union-biden-nlrb/

Seems like a real missed political opportunity for the Democrats to shake the rightly earned image of them being a bunch of out of touch elites to go mingle with real working people on a picket line. As far as I can tell, no politician is really trying to find a mutually boosting arrangement with these workers advocating for themselves.

When you talk about the liberal gerontocracy, you have to notice trends like this where opportunities to inject youthful vibrancy into the party are allowed to escape unrealized. You have workers self-organizing into unions as a response to the depravities of corporate America, a natural well spring of liberal political energy, and the party couldn't care less.
 
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One of the few good things happening under Biden and I'm only seeing it covered in alternative/progressive media. I suppose this makes sense, because unionization is an anathema to neoliberalism that is the mainstay of the Democratic party.
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Let's note that Biden has always been a strong advocate for unions. When he talks about his infrastructure and related proposals, he always talks about "the good jobs, the union jobs" they will create. And I dunno why you would blame Democrats for the decline of unions. That started with Reagan breaking the air traffic controllers and continued through decades of Repub rule. Democrats have generally supported unions and been supported by them.
 
Sure, I'm a Boomer and so is Donny McBonespurs. Ron de Santis, Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Matt Gaetz, etc. etc. are not. Don't blame us all for that ****.
That's the point. That's what young conservatives look like these days, because the population has shifted to the left while political ideologies have lurched to the right. Florida Man, I Can't Recall and Gaspedo are the best they can do. Where are their contemporaries on the Democrat's side? The young liberals who stand to inherit the party once the boomers finally die in their seats? DNC leadership (which to their credit typically were the people in the marches, etc) have spent a lifetime fighting down every challenge to their power, making it them or nothing, and now they're old, and it's still them or nothing.
 
Let's note that Biden has always been a strong advocate for unions. When he talks about his infrastructure and related proposals, he always talks about "the good jobs, the union jobs" they will create. And I dunno why you would blame Democrats for the decline of unions. That started with Reagan breaking the air traffic controllers and continued through decades of Repub rule. Democrats have generally supported unions and been supported by them.

Why aren't they trying to capitalize, politically, on this huge union win? it's not like they have anything better going on.

Their recent support of unions is tepid at best. Republican want a ram a stake through the heart of unionism, Democrats tend to be more willing to let them slowly die of old age. Definitely the lesser of two evils, but that's not saying much.
 
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That's the point. That's what young conservatives look like these days, because the population has shifted to the left while political ideologies have lurched to the right. Florida Man, I Can't Recall and Gaspedo are the best they can do. Where are their contemporaries on the Democrat's side? The young liberals who stand to inherit the party once the boomers finally die in their seats? DNC leadership (which to their credit typically were the people in the marches, etc) have spent a lifetime fighting down every challenge to their power, making it them or nothing, and now they're old, and it's still them or nothing.
I want to follow on to this, because I'm the guy who spends most political threads saying it's no use fighting past battles, it's where we go from here that matters. It would be great to take a time machine back fifteen years and just start slapping people in the face when they make dumb decisions, but we can't. Here's how to fix this boondoggle:

Beelzebuddy's Evil Plan to Save America
  • Take a pen and paper.
  • Give them to AOC.
  • Do everything she says.

There's a damn good reason the GOP is pants-pissingly terrified of her. She has more media-savvy in her little finger than Hillary's entire circlejerk of a focus group did. It is an outright tragedy that she is not already considered DNC leadership. She will probably tell you to give Bernie Sanders a pen and paper. Do that too. Every ounce of effort spent infighting, marginalizing and silencing passionate voices within the party is an unforced error that the GOP will not hesitate to take advantage of.

Out of curiosity, I googled for the Amazon unionization story to see if any Democrats had even bothered to show up. Two congresscritters did. Two. Want to guess who they were? AOC and Bernie Sanders. Bernie gets a lot of crap in these threads, but he's out there doing a better job of being a Democrat than the Democrats. New York has two D Senators. Where were they? Were they too busy? Was it not worth their time? Amazon, correct me if I'm wrong, is kind of all over the US now, right? Shouldn't every Democrat be watching for similar opportunities? Like, all the time?

Aside from (but almost certainly included in) AOC's dictation, if there's news that the Democratic party sees as a good thing, they need to make damn well sure there's a statement from a Democrat saying it's a good thing in the story about it. Get the county dog catcher (D) in there to spout off about how great it is if that's what it takes. You can't sit back and expect people to find the the GOP odious enough to vote against, you've got to get out there and remind people what they're voting for.
 
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Biden pollster GSG is ‘deeply sorry’ for Amazon anti-union work as labor groups abandon it

Top labor groups and political action committees are distancing themselves from a major Democratic pollster after it was revealed that the firm worked on Amazon’s anti-labor efforts at a warehouse on New York’s Staten Island.

In late March, CNBC reported that Amazon tapped Global Strategy Group, an influential polling and consulting firm, to help with campaign materials at several Staten Island facilities, including JFK8, the site of a successful union drive earlier this month.

GSG is well known on Capitol Hill and in Democratic political circles. It served as a polling partner for a pro-Biden super PAC ahead of the 2020 election and maintains a high-profile roster of political and corporate clients, including Google and Facebook.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/biden-pollster-gsg-deeply-sorry-for-amazon-anti-union-work-as-labor-groups-abandon-it.html

Surely this means the end of the pro-union Democrats working with these pollsters, right?

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Obviously this DNC connected firm did not miscalculate. They understand that Democratic pro-union sentiments are half-hearted at best.
 
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