Today's Mass Shooting

[Andy_Ross]

You might, if you looked at some of the statistics.

Young Black men and teens are killed by guns 20 times more than their white counterparts, CDC data shows
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-than-third-2019-gun-homicides/4559929001/

Surely they are only killed once?

 

[Bogative]

The Sacramento shooting was not a mass shooting, according to some, because it possibly involved "gang violence."

Some of the at least five shooters had connections to street gangs.

Less than 12 hours of me posting this, the Los Angeles Times posts this headline on twitter:

At first, the shooting in downtown Sacramento appeared to be a mass shooting that left six dead and 12 wounded.

But in recent days, more details have emerged that offer a different picture of the violence.

6 killed with 12 wounded and it's not considered a mass shooting. ******* clowns.

 

[Bogative]

Reports of a mass shooting at a Brooklyn subway station in New York.

I'm going to go way, way, waaaaay out on a limb and guess the shooter is not a MAGAr type the FBI, DHS and our dotard president keep warning us about. I'm so certain that if I'm wrong, I will refrain from posting on ISF for one month.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Reports of a mass shooting at a Brooklyn subway station in New York.

I'm going to go way, way, waaaaay out on a limb and guess the shooter is not a MAGAr type the FBI, DHS and our dotard president keep warning us about. I'm so certain that if I'm wrong, I will refrain from posting on ISF for one month.

It's certainly brave of you to go so far out on such a short limb, and bet against something with low likelihood that no one, to my knowledge, has suggested. The shooter could have been driven by any number of motivations. He could have been inspired by some sort of twisted Trump fantasies, but he also could be a religious nut-job, a schizophrenic, a racist... Hell, he could even be upset because someone used the word "vagina" in his presence. If someone really wanted to impress with the strength of his convictions, he might bet that he'd unregister from the forum if he were to be proved wrong.

 

[Warp12]

Reports of a mass shooting at a Brooklyn subway station in New York.

I'm going to go way, way, waaaaay out on a limb and guess the shooter is not a MAGAr type the FBI, DHS and our dotard president keep warning us about. I'm so certain that if I'm wrong, I will refrain from posting on ISF for one month.

The suspect, described as an approximately 5-foot-5 Black male with a heavy build, is still at large and is "dangerous," New York Gov. Kathy Hochul told reporters nearly four hours after the shooting.

IF the description is accurate, I would say most likely not a MAGA type.

 

[Foster Zygote]

IF the description is accurate, I would say most likely not a MAGA type.

Can you link to that description. So far, I haven't seen anything describing him other than as "a heavy set man about 5'5" tall".

 

[Warp12]

The suspect, described as an approximately 5-foot-5 Black male with a heavy build, is still at large and is "dangerous," New York Gov. Kathy Hochul told reporters nearly four hours after the shooting.

Can you link to that description. So far, I haven't seen anything describing him other than as "a heavy set man about 5'5" tall".

Here:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-brooklyn-subway-station-shooting-undetonated-devices

Also:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/us/brooklyn-subway-shooting/index.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ng-subway-explosion-sunset-park-b2056391.html

Probably more out there.

 

[mgidm86]

Can you link to that description. So far, I haven't seen anything describing him other than as "a heavy set man about 5'5" tall".

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/12/nyregion/brooklyn-subway-shooting

A man in a worker’s vest put on a gas mask, opened a canister that filled a subway car with smoke and then opened fire, the police said Tuesday, adding that they had found a truck they believe was driven by the shooter who is still at large.

Based solely on this I will put my money on "not a gang banger" and another stack of chips on "right wing nutjob", with another stack of chips on "white male".



He planned this, complete with his escaping via another train. He waited until he was almost at the station to begin this assault.

 

[Bogative]

Can you link to that description. So far, I haven't seen anything describing him other than as "a heavy set man about 5'5" tall".

One of these days you may recognize this as a pattern and then you may start understanding why people think most mass shooters are white.

For example, I have four mass shootings in the queue to post in this thread but I am waiting for police, witness or media descriptions of the shooters before I do. Of the four shootings, there are a minimum of seven shooters, possibly as many as ten, with each shooting having at least dozens of eyewitnesses and as many as hundreds of eyewitnesses in each. No descriptions of the trigger pullers are to be found despite an almost certainty of knowing what they would be.

 

[Warp12]

Based solely on this I will put my money on "not a gang banger" and another stack of chips on "right wing nutjob", with yet another stack of chips on "white male".

Suspect ("person of interest"):

 

[Foster Zygote]

One of these days you may recognize this as a pattern and then you may start understanding why people think most mass shooters are white.

To what pattern are you referring?

If anyone thinks that most mass shootings in the U.S. are perpetrated by white people, then they are correct. But the numbers pretty closely follow demographic lines. So if someone was to think that belonging to any particular ethnicity makes one more inclined to commit a mass shooting, they'd be flat wrong, no matter which group they were making the assertion about.

No descriptions of the trigger pullers are to be found despite an almost certainty of knowing what they would be.

Yeah, it's not like you're known for jumping to conclusions.

 

[mgidm86]

Guess my bet was off. That's why I don't go to Vegas

 

[Bogative]

To what pattern are you referring?

Media and public officials excluding race as a descriptor.

If anyone thinks that most mass shootings in the U.S. are perpetrated by white people, then they are correct.

No, no they are not. According to the New York Times, three out of four mass shootings, in the year they examined the data, were perpetrated by blacks.

But the numbers pretty closely follow demographic lines.

This is simply not true.

So if someone was to think that belonging to any particular ethnicity makes one more inclined to commit a mass shooting, they'd be flat wrong, no matter which group they were making the assertion about.

Inclined or not, the facts bear out that some ethnicities commit mass murders at a much higher rate than the rest.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Media and public officials excluding race as a descriptor.

Even after the shooters ethnicity is known? Let's see your evidence for this pattern.

No, no they are not. According to the New York Times, three out of four mass shootings, in the year they examined the data, were perpetrated by blacks.

Wow! One whole year?

According to Statista, out of 126 mass shootings in the last forty years, 66 were perpetrated by white individuals. Do I really need to explain the role of sampling size in statistical analysis?

This is simply not true.

Actually, if you look at a statistically valid sample, using forty years of data rather than just one, the demographics of mass shooters look pretty close to the general population - 52.38% of the 126 mass shooters being white, while, currently, 57.8% of the U.S. population is white.

Inclined or not, the facts bear out that some ethnicities commit mass murders at a much higher rate than the rest.

No, the actual facts say that your claim is utter ********.

 

[Bogative]

Wow! One whole year?

According to Statista, out of 126 mass shootings in the last forty years, 66 were perpetrated by white individuals. Do I really need to explain the role of sampling size in statistical analysis?

Yes, please do explain why statista only listed 126 mass shootings over the last 40 years while gunviolencearchives.org listed over 350 in 2015 alone. GVA.org listed nearly 700 mass shootings last year and 135 already this year.

Just kiddin', there is no need to explain, I already know why. There are no sample biases in the GVA data, their statistics are based solely on the raw numbers. Four or more wounded or killed, nothing else matters.

Statista's numbers comes from the left-wing rag 'Mother Jones' and their arbitrary method of what counts as a mass shooting.
From Mother Jones

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence.

Well now, how convenient of them to leave out gang violence and shootings at parties and at bars/clubs and drive-bys.

Let's take a little gander at the Mother Jones data. The only mass shooting they have listed so far this year was from February 28. It was a familicide shooting at a Sacramento church that left four dead.

Let's see what they left out of the January and February data.

4 dead, 1 wounded in Inglewood, California.

6 dead in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

5 dead, 2 wounded in Corsicana, Texas.

2 dead, 14 wounded in Charleston, Missouri.

10 wounded in Bogalusa, Louisiana.

2 killed, 9 wounded in Phoenix, Arizona.

1 killed, 13 wounded in Las Vegas, Nevada.

I chose these eight because they had four or more deaths, the number MJ uses, or at least double digit number of victims, that way the sample is small enough to examine for details. This will leave 70 mass shootings excluded for the months of January and February.

Of the eight 'big number' shootings listed, one shooter was white, one shooter was Hispanic and four shooters were black. In the other two shootings, Milwaukee and Englewood, there are no publicly available descriptions of the shooters. All of the victims in those two shootings were black and since, statistically speaking, people are murdered by members of their own race, it is probable that the other shooters were black as well. One of the shootings had at least three shooters.

That would mean 8 out of 10 mass shooters were black.

Actually, if you look at a statistically valid sample, using forty years of data rather than just one, the demographics of mass shooters look pretty close to the general population - 52.38% of the 126 mass shooters being white, while, currently, 57.8% of the U.S. population is white.

You're not the first person on the forum to be hoodwinked by a left-wing organization whose data hides the truth, you won't be the last.

 

[Bogative]

Five more mass shootings with double-digit victim counts to add to my prior post.



15 wounded, 1 killed – Dallas, Texas – April 3
Fight at a rap concert turned into gunplay. Four juveniles ages 13, 14 and 15 were among the wounded. 26-year-old Kealon Dejuane Gilmore did not survive. No suspect description given…
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/c...llas/287-9541ead0-8927-4dab-9197-e2f70cf7395e


12 wounded, 6 killed – Sacramento, California – April 3
Smiley and Dandrae Martin, brothers, both black men, have been arrested after a let-out fight led to a let-out shooting. Five of the six killed were black, a white homeless woman was shot and killed during the shenanigans. At least three shooter remain at large
https://abc7.com/sacramento-mass-shooting-downtown-california-victims/11711228/


8 wounded, 2 killed – Cedar Rapids, Iowa – April 10
Timothy Ladell Rush, a black man, enters a nightclub with another currently nondescript male targeting his baby mama.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...arge-in-cedar-rapids-mass-shooting/ar-AAW67I3


10 wounded – Bronx, New York – April 12
Frank James, a black nationalist, opened fire on a subway car.
https://heavy.com/news/brooklyn-subway-shooting-sunset-park/


10 wounded – Columbia, South Carolina – April 16
Mall shooting. 3 people with firearms have been detained. Not a random shooting, police believe they knew each other.
https://www.wral.com/multiple-people-injured-in-shooting-at-south-carolina-mall/20239046/


10 mass shootings.

15 killed.

129 wounded.

A minimum of 19 shooters involved. 11 of the known shooters are black, no descriptions have been made available for the other 8.

I'm old enough to remember when China Joe and his lackeys were warning us about mass shootings committed by white supremacist domestic terrorists.

 

[Bogative]

More information on the mall shooting linked above.

Jewayne M Price, a black man, has been arrested for popping off up of in the mall. The two other suspects who were arrested have been released without charges.
https://triblive.com/news/banner/police-11-shot-2-dead-on-pittsburghs-north-side/



Another mass shooting to add to the list from overnight.

2 dead juveniles, 8 wounded. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
ShotSpotters (a tool of white supremacy, according to some) alerted police to over 90 shots at an airbnb party attended by approximately 200 individuals, mostly juveniles. Multiple shooters fired over 50 rounds inside of the house and 50 rounds outside of the house. No suspect descriptions currently available, that's just a minor formality at this point.
https://triblive.com/news/banner/police-11-shot-2-dead-on-pittsburghs-north-side/

 

[Checkmite]

Even after the shooters ethnicity is known? Let's see your evidence for this pattern.

In one moment he complains that mainstream media refuses to mention race whenever it's a black person doing the thing, and in the next moment he cites The New York Times as reporting that three out of four mass shootings in a particular year were committed by black people.

He doesn't really have a larger coherent ontology beyond an axiomatic assertion that black people are responsible for "all the bad things" and thus he will invoke any argument and use any statistic that vaguely sounds like it supports this assertion; he will not only make contradictory or inconsistent arguments, he will employ them back to back in the selfsame post without flinching. This is why I keep imploring people to not engage with white supremacists who troll with bad-faith arguments and game systems of enforced "civility" and "free speech" to provide them with an endless, consequence-free stream of attention and entertainment.

 

[cmikes]

In one moment he complains that mainstream media refuses to mention race whenever it's a black person doing the thing, and in the next moment he cites The New York Times as reporting that three out of four mass shootings in a particular year were committed by black people.

He doesn't really have a larger coherent ontology beyond an axiomatic assertion that black people are responsible for "all the bad things" and thus he will invoke any argument and use any statistic that vaguely sounds like it supports this assertion; he will not only make contradictory or inconsistent arguments, he will employ them back to back in the selfsame post without flinching. This is why I keep imploring people to not engage with white supremacists who troll with bad-faith arguments and game systems of enforced "civility" and "free speech" to provide them with an endless, consequence-free stream of attention and entertainment.

I find Bogative's source more reliable for the simple fact that race and politics don't play any part in their statistics. Their methodology is extremely simple: Are there four or more victims? Yes? Then it's a mass shooting.

It certainly makes more sense than the Mother Jones methodology where we have to know the races of the people involved and their precise motives before we can make a determination. Oh, twenty five people were killed but it was guy that was previously convicted of drug dealing so it doesn't count as a mass shooting. Is an innocent bystander killed by a gangbanger trying to expand his turf any less dead than an innocent person who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when a mentally ill person cracks?

Simply ignoring a majority of the mass shootings in this country because they aren't perpetrated by white men smacks of "the soft bigotry of low expectations." "Oh, well, it was a black guy that did it, so it doesn't count. After all, you can't expect anything more from them."

 

[Checkmite]

I find Bogative's source more reliable for the simple fact that race and politics don't play any part in their statistics.

My point is that it's a mainstream media source - perhaps the most mainstream of all media at that. It contradicts his immediately preceding complaint that mainstream media doesn't mention race unless the perpetrator is white.