How many rapes are there? I'm not saying that a trans individual hasn't sexually assaulted a woman.
This is like Trump saying there are rapists and killers among illegal immigrants. That is true. But it is actually less than the general population of the US. So this fact is not a very good reason to restrict immigration. By the same token, that a transgender woman has committed sexual assault by itself is not a good reason to make draconian legislation.
To my way of thinking, what you are seeing here in this dialog between Tesla and others is something that happens often in this thread and in this debate. Each side wants to use the example that suits them best, and dismiss the others. acbytesla wants to talk of fairly close to private bathroom stalls where anonymous strangers pass some water behind closed doors, and go on their way. Others want to talk about rapes and sexual assaults when men and women are forced together.
Those cases matter, but I think they also distort by picking up the extreme examples.
A couple of months ago, or maybe more, or maybe less, I posted a video made by the legal team of a 15 year old girl in Pennsylvania. I won't bother looking for it. It's easy enough to find for anyone interested. It's just the girl telling her story, and her lawyer elaborating on some of the legal issues. The 15 year old (cis) girl is a central character, as is a 15 year old transgirl. In the telling, I will use "she" for the cis girl and "they" for the transgirl.
The girl is getting ready for gym class. She takes off her street clothes, and is now in her underwear. She hears a male voice behind her. Surprised, she turns, and sees a male looking at her. The male is wearing women's underwear, but it cannot conceal their penis and testicles. The video didn't say what happened immediately, i.e. who said what to whom right at that moment. We know that the girl complained of the situation and was informed that if she did not want to be seen by the transgirl, she could wait in the hall until the transgirl had left the locker room.
That's it. No rape. No sexual assault. No masturbation. No lewd behavior. Nothing. On the other hand, no locked doors, no partial concealment behind stall partitions. Just two teenagers, one male, one female, both identifying as girls, standing in their underwear, as one does when changing from street clothes to gym clothes and back again after gym class.
And that's it. The girl didn't think she should have to be seen by a guy (as she perceived the transgirl) while she was in her underwear. The transgirl didn't think they should have to dress in a private location. There's no way for both of them to get what they want.
That's the normal situation. That's what the fuss is about. Yes, there are rare cases where other things happen. There are sexual assaults, but not many. There are men who pretend to be transwomen for voyeuristic purposes, but not many. (I have remarked before that that surprised me. I would have expected a lot more cases, but there haven't been.) However, this scenario that I just described would be normal in the America the trans rights activists want.
So whose side are you on? Do you side with the cis girl or the trans girl? One of them has to lose.
There are all sorts of dodges that get thrown in to avoid answering the question. One dodge is to ignore this situation and bring up a more extreme situation. Another dodge is to blame the locker room itself, for not being sufficiently private. Those are just dodges. The fact is that this is a real case involving real people in a real locker room that cannot be transformed right away into some ideal gender-neutral but completely private facility. This is the real world and there are two kids in their underwear, and one of them isn't happy about it and wants the other to leave. Whose side are you on?
I'm in the (cis) girl's side, and I will be until I'm convinced that the majority of those girls don't mind, or actively supoort, the presence of the trans girl.
In this real world in the real state of Pennsylvania, she lost her lawsuit.
