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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

Sigh, I DID NOT "use the same type of redacted-quoted-word stuff in talking about this issue as the professor . I typed the words in full and let the AUTO CENSOR OF ISF take care of it.

Is it better that you actually wrote out the entire slur, whereas the professor made sure that they intentionally redacted it?

Which is better? A person on air actually saying the word out loud, and letting the bleeper cover it... or a person on air using the euphemism "n-word"?
 
This whole manufactured crisis is on fumes but the pundit class is trying hard to keep it alive.

Seriously, imagine you're an editor and this came across your desk. How does this lazy dreck get published at the NYTimes?

I have no idea why the NYT decided to publish this. Why is there some sort of problem with a woman relating her lived experiences in the humanities department of a major university?

After all, this could be valuable information for incoming students who might be tempted to think outside the box and how that kind of thinking might just lead to them looking back on their college years in a less than favorable light like our author seems to be doing.
 
College isn't kindergarten. Not everyone has to get along. People avoiding the lady that keeps saying weird **** during class is not a crisis.

Offering up a feminist critique of a cultural practice in a feminist theory class is weird **** now? My, how times have changed.
 
Oh? News to me that you can only create a safe space type of environment to relax with like minded peers in, if you’re a queer liberal poc or something. I don’t see why I can’t apply the safe space concept to literally any group that feels like it could use such an environment.

Not that you get to take over someone else’s safe space but that you are always welcome to create and curate your own if you have somewhere to host it.

Yes, any group can create a safe space specifically for those who identify as they do. In the case of our author she would need a safe space created specifically for white feminists to discuss her feminism and how it relates to non feminist practices carried out by non white cultures.
 
I have no idea why the NYT decided to publish this. Why is there some sort of problem with a woman relating her lived experiences in the humanities department of a major university?

After all, this could be valuable information for incoming students who might be tempted to think outside the box and how that kind of thinking might just lead to them looking back on their college years in a less than favorable light like our author seems to be doing.

Yes, I suppose people should be disabused of the notion that colleges are one giant debate society where people are champing at the bit to argue about everything.
 
Are you implying this poor dear has just nobody at all of UVA who’d want to be in her cohort or who’d want to help her hone any of her thoughts, positions, or arguments in a positive, supportive atmosphere?

If so, what if anything do you think ought to be done about that?
 
Yes, I suppose people should be disabused of the notion that colleges are one giant debate society where people are champing at the bit to argue about everything.

One would assume issues in raised in the humanities departments are up for debate/discussion but we've seen from the article that assumption is no longer true and it's really more about sit down and shut up.
 
Are you implying this poor dear has just nobody at all of UVA who’d want to be in her cohort or who’d want to help her hone any of her thoughts, positions, or arguments in a positive, supportive atmosphere?

If so, what if anything do you think ought to be done about that?

Well, she found a professor but there's no mention of a cohort. No mention if Abby Sacks was as lucky as our author or whether she remained invisible.

There's really nothing that can be done about it except to tell aspiring undergrad humanities students that their best course of action is to keep quiet unless you're absolutely certain you're going to be professing the dominant opinion. Either that or go into something useful, like STEM.
 
I don’t get the impression from any of the other ‘lil background on UVA’ stuff (or the fact they’re hosting the aforementioned talk I already talked about) that UVA is such a hotbed of liberal woke lockstep thought that she’s genuinely so completely isolated that she is justified in interpreting mild social distaste as an insurmountable pressure forcing her to silence herself on issues that deserve debate.
 
Some journalists are also having a fun time online with this whiney nonsense. I like this one best:

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1500919229452890112

Lol, Twitter...with no engagement on the substance of her essay. I suppose she could have made it all up, that none of that really happened, that her citations are bogus, that she's just a whiner, that this is what happens to people who stray from the progressive hive mind. She should have gone STEM.
 
I don’t get the impression from any of the other ‘lil background on UVA’ stuff (or the fact they’re hosting the aforementioned talk I already talked about) that UVA is such a hotbed of liberal woke lockstep thought that she’s genuinely so completely isolated that she is justified in interpreting mild social distaste as an insurmountable pressure forcing her to silence herself on issues that deserve debate.

The talk was just the talk and hadn't happened when the close the door incident happened. You may have been right about the content, it's now on YouTube but I can't be arsed to spend an hour+ on it so I won't argue with any characterizations of it being stupid.

OH yea, UVA...the university that completely lost it when the so obviously bogus A Rape on Campus was published. Woke lockstep, no not at all.
 
OH yea, UVA...the university that completely lost it when the so obviously bogus A Rape on Campus was published. Woke lockstep, no not at all.

It was in the middle of a perfect media *********! I'm confident in suggesting that reaction would have happened at any university if it had been the target of that bogus story in Rolling Stone. The fact that any institution feels like it must act to make itself look like it cares about a big ugly accusation doesn't, IMO, mean the woke mob is out of control. But what actually happened besides a lot of talk, their Greek stuff getting put on hiatus for a little over a month, and then the eventual realization that it was all one woman's story that nobody had held up to any scrutiny, and that folded once it was looked into?

The UVA dean who was painted as a chilling influence on rape victims was the one I sympathise with most in this incident, and she rightly won a multi million dollar defamation suit against the author and the magazine. The woman whose story it was helped her win it, testifying in her favor against the RS writer.

Now if the accusation had involved a popular football personality instead of a bunch of anonymous frat boys then maybe the school would have doubled down instead, but again I don't think that's because of a school's position on the woke/conservative axis.
 
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You might want to give the article a reread as there's nothing in it about people wanting to use slurs so your observations are wildly off topic in that regard.

LOL, the person who calls people "crybully" denies that he likes to use slurs. Classic "conservative" self own. Now stay tuned for the inevitable "crybully" is not a slur, hurr durr.
 
It was in the middle of a perfect media *********! I'm confident in suggesting that reaction would have happened at any university if it had been the target of that bogus story in Rolling Stone. The fact that any institution feels like it must act to make itself look like it cares about a big ugly accusation doesn't, IMO, mean the woke mob is out of control. But what actually happened besides a lot of talk, their Greek stuff getting put on hiatus for a little over a month, and then the eventual realization that it was all one woman's story that nobody had held up to any scrutiny, and that folded once it was looked into?

The UVA dean who was painted as a chilling influence on rape victims was the one I sympathise with most in this incident, and she rightly won a multi million dollar defamation suit against the author and the magazine. The woman whose story it was helped her win it, testifying in her favor against the RS writer.

Now if the accusation had involved a popular football personality instead of a bunch of anonymous frat boys then maybe the school would have doubled down instead, but again I don't think that's because of a school's position on the woke/conservative axis.


I won't disagree with any of that.
 
LOL, the person who calls people "crybully" denies that he likes to use slurs. Classic "conservative" self own. Now stay tuned for the inevitable "crybully" is not a slur, hurr durr.

Oh look at you.:) Maybe you could be so kind as to point out where I denied I like to use slurs? Why, I'm thinking of a couple of them right now but we do have this address the argument thing in the MA, in case that had slipped your mind.

So, any attempt at debunking the contents in the NYT article, the one which has nothing to do with the use of slurs?
 
It's helpful time to time to come up for air and see what real censorship actually looks like.

Like a city firefighter facing workplace discipline for criticizing his local city council:

Joshua Lipscomb, a firefighter in his fourth year with the Nashville Fire Department, is facing possible suspension for his tweet about license-plate readers.

In a post on Feb. 3, Lipscomb called out members of the Nashville City Council as “white supremacists” for approving a controversial pilot program that some regard as unwarranted government surveillance.

“I hate feeding into the illusion that America’s government and existence is legitimate, so I’m no fan of voting. But the majority of Nashville City Council is white supremacists. I know it’s boring, but millennials have to start caring about local elections,” Lipscomb wrote in the tweet.

The Fire Department concluded that Lipscomb had violated department policy and, pending a hearing, he could be suspended for 16 days.

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/post/2717/court-precedents-should-protect-nashville-firefighter-s-controversial-tweet
 
When are you planning to start doing this? Because by now, all you do is rambling, namecalling and de-legitimizing people's concerns :rolleyes:

The usual way of dealing with distressing material is to report the offending posts and make good use of the ignore function. :)
 

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