More Hologram Theory ...

Iacchus said:
Yes, the information which tells the chicken how to grow comes from its parents. Now, where did the information come from that told the Universe how to structure itself (and/or grow) after the Big Bang?
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No.

Iacchus, you cannot merely infer that this information existed. That is circular, and is baseless. This has been explained to you before. What you must do is find evidence for this alleged information. We think the Big Bang happened because there is evidence for this theory. If you wish to suggest that you know the reason for this Big Bang, and that the reason is some form of pre-existing information, the burden is on you to provide the evidence for this. Otherwise, it is just like the rest of your dreams; it ends when you wake up.

There is, thus far, absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there was any sort of plan or information telling the universe how to unfold. There is, thus far, no glaring need for such a plan or information; our current theories do quite well without it. Your ignorance of those theories prompts you to posit an unsupported (and, as you have expressed it, unsupportable) grand theory; the trick is, all that your theory does is gloss over your ignorance of what is actually known.
 
Why do we need chickens to lay eggs if, chickens could just sprout up of their own accord? This is a very fundamental question I'm asking.
 
Iacchus said:
Why do we need chickens to lay eggs if, chickens could just sprout up of their own accord? This is a very fundamental question I'm asking.
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See, now you are taking the same poor analogy and using it backwards. Maybe now you will see why it is so poor. Did you notice? For one thing (the universe) we have no evidence (nor can we, from our perspective) of anything existing prior to or outside of the universe itself. For the other thing (the chicken), we have tremendous amounts of evidence.

We cannot treat the two as if they are equivalent.

You seem to be saying here that it is silly to treat a chicken as if it were a universe. And, for once, you are right. It would be silly.

But it is equally silly to treat a universe as if it were a chicken. And that is precisely what your analogy would have us do.

It does not work. In either direction. Get past it.
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, where does the information lie, that precedes all things into existence? Whereas if that information has always existed, so must its source, don't you think?
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No one but you is saying that the information has always existed. No one but you says it exists at all.
 
Mercutio said:
See, now you are taking the same poor analogy and using it backwards. Maybe now you will see why it is so poor. Did you notice? For one thing (the universe) we have no evidence (nor can we, from our perspective) of anything existing prior to or outside of the universe itself. For the other thing (the chicken), we have tremendous amounts of evidence.

We cannot treat the two as if they are equivalent.

You seem to be saying here that it is silly to treat a chicken as if it were a universe. And, for once, you are right. It would be silly.

But it is equally silly to treat a universe as if it were a chicken. And that is precisely what your analogy would have us do.

It does not work. In either direction. Get past it.
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Yet chickens are merely a microcosm of what the Universe is a macrocosm as a whole. So in that sense, a chicken is a (miniature) Universe unto its own.
 
Mercutio said:
No one but you is saying that the information has always existed. No one but you says it exists at all.
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The notion of which of course, coincides with a God that has always existed ... and, on top of that, outside of time and space.
 
Iacchus said:
Yet chickens are merely a microcosm of what the Universe is a macrocosm as a whole. So in that sense, a chicken is a (miniature) Universe unto its own.
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Let me guess: You know nothing about chickens, either.
 
Iacchus said:
Yet chickens are merely a microcosm of what the Universe is a macrocosm as a whole. So in that sense, a chicken is a (miniature) Universe unto its own.
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Read what you've written.

Surely you see that is patently ridiculous?
 
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I'm gittin' while the gittin's good!
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, the information which tells the chicken how to grow comes from its parents. Now, where did the information come from that told the Universe how to structure itself (and/or grow) after the Big Bang?
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There is no such thing. Iacchus, what I don't understand is how someone who seems so interested in finding answers to his questions is so unwilling to look for the answer. I'd provide a link, but I know you won't read it.

Iacchus said:
Why do we need chickens to lay eggs if, chickens could just sprout up of their own accord? This is a very fundamental question I'm asking.
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The universe did NOT spring into existence, as I said. It arose from a random quantum fluctuation that inflated to huge "proportions". As it grew, a number of random, successive symmetry breaks resulted in the various laws of physics that exist in the universe. They were not scripted, they arose randomly. Also, as I said, the total energy of the universe is ZERO, and it will probable vanish, one day, so in the end, no law of conservation of energy is broken.

Did you read all that paragraph, now ?

Iacchus said:
Yes, where does the information lie, that precedes all things into existence? Whereas if that information has always existed, so must its source, don't you think?
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That wasn't his question. Who made God ?
 
Iacchus said:
Really? You speak as if it's always been here.
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It has. That's the point. "Always" is a time-referential word. The real world has been here all the time. It's here all the time now. All the time is in it and it is in all the time. There never was a time when it wasn't. There's no when when when isn't when it is. It will be here until the end of time if there is an end of time.

In any case, it's certainly been here since before you arrived, and will almost certainly outlive you, so you might as well make yourself at home in it.
 
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