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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Interview with Professor Stephen Bustin on PCR

I only have a little time today to discuss quantitative polymerase chain reaction qPCR), but Professor Stephen Bustin is a world-recognized authority on the subject, having written an article that has been cited several thousand times, as well as many other articles and book chapters. In an interview he said, "Furthermore, a properly designed, optimized and validated RT-qPCR test is the most sensitive, specific, reliable and robust method for detecting a pathogen."

Regarding the issue of being "fit for purpose," Professor Bustin said, "These sentiments arise from the deliberate spreading of false information, coupled with misleading quotes and incomplete reporting. They are made by people who have little knowledge and no understanding of the technology, but are articulate and rely on the general public’s ignorance and lack of interest in scientific detail. The media also are at fault, because they have generally failed to distinguish between authoritative scientific conclusions based on data and facts versus false and unreliable opinions based on mendacity and sophistry.

"The most common falsehood is that the inventor of PCR, Kary Mullis, claimed that PCR should not be used for diagnostics. He did make an unfortunate comment about the reliability of diagnostic testing, but this related specifically to the detection of HIV in AIDS patients, was aimed at conventional gel-based PCR and was made in 1993, before real-time (qPCR) was in use as a diagnostic tool. I knew Kary Mullis personally and I know for certain that this was not his opinion as we discussed, and he was interested, in the use of RT-qPCR as a prognostic tool for colorectal cancer patients."
 
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Petra said:
Person laid out on the floor and another falling flat on their face.
https://twitter.com/rachadchahine/status/1220785179146563585

Man stretched out in the video shown within the article, Coronavirus: Man found dead in street in face mask in shocking image
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hina-wuhan-picture-man-outbreak-a9310846.html
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So one unsourced video and one dead guy in the street, and you're claiming a psyop? And the majority of the people here had not only never seen the video, they had never even heard the claim of people falling flat on their faces. Worst psyop in history if no one actually knows about except CTists.
 
Petra said:
But you're strawmanning me.
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No, I'm not. You're just repeating "strawman" in the wrong context, as you obviously don't apprehend what it actually means.

I directly addressed your post about how you personally don't know anyone who's suffered from COVID-19 infection. That's not a strawman, because it's what you actually said.
 
Petra said:
Person laid out on the floor and another falling flat on their face.
https://twitter.com/rachadchahine/status/1220785179146563585

Man stretched out in the video shown within the article, Coronavirus: Man found dead in street in face mask in shocking image
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hina-wuhan-picture-man-outbreak-a9310846.html
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Sick people don't fall down? Seriously???

I saw a guy in my high school marching band fall over like that while wearing a sousaphone. And he just had the flu.

Accounts of the bubonic plague talk of people literally falling down and dying - of people who woke up feeling fine, and were dead within hours.

It's just so consistent with the conspiracy theorist psychology to see a few videos, that may or may not be of COVID-19 victims, and think, "well obviously I know everything there is to know about how sick people fall down, and this looks fishy to me".
 
People falling down being a sign of "psy ops"?

I can only conclude that whoever suggested this was never a student at one of several universities in northern England, which all had a certain reputation for particular student behaviours...

Mostly known as Friday or Saturday night.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
People falling down being a sign of "psy ops"?

I can only conclude that whoever suggested this was never a student at one of several universities in northern England, which all had a certain reputation for particular student behaviours...

Mostly known as Friday or Saturday night.
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Northern England has no monopoly. That is a feature of undergrad students everywhere.
 
Bubba said:
Yes, of course they must be smeared as "not reliable". when they expose the truth about MSM.
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No, they are criticized because they spread dangerous disinformation; after all they have gulled you to believe such ridiculous bull **** as (snicker) Q, (chuckle) The Kraken, (guffaw) The Plandemic.

For starters.

Oh no! Cover the childrens' eyes and ears !
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Maybe, depending. But mostly we need to teach our children critical thinking skills so they are not gulled by such ridiculous bull **** as (snicker) Q, (chuckle) The Kraken, (guffaw) The Plandemic.
 
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I think what's helpful to understand is the differences between the following:
--- "Doing" science
--- Understanding and criticising science that's put forward
--- Understanding the criticism of the science
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There's also:
  • Bad science, of which there's always been a lot
  • Misrepresenting science
  • Outright lying about science

Those are the ones we see the most from all science deniers, including covid conspiracists and anti-vaxxers.
 
eerok said:
There's also:
  • Bad science, of which there's always been a lot
  • Misrepresenting science
  • Outright lying about science

Those are the ones we see the most from all science deniers, including covid conspiracists and anti-vaxxers.
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There's also paraphrasing propaganda about the science they don't understand; refusing to accept they don't understand that science; pretending they have inside information about the science they don't understand, and just plain pretending.

That poster is simply regurgitating propaganda that gulls them, over and over and Ovah!! A dead-ender.
 
Petra said:
Actually, you're right I need to rephrase. We need to make sure that all the available evidence at the very least doesn't contradict our chosen hypothesis and, overall, favours it over any competing hypothesis.
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I see. Science is a propaganda game to you, and so is reality.
 
Resume said:
No, they are criticized because they spread dangerous disinformation; after all they have gulled you to believe such ridiculous bull **** as (snicker) Q, (chuckle) The Kraken, (guffaw) The Plandemic.

For starters.

Maybe, depending. But mostly we need to teach our children critical thinking skills so they are not gulled by such ridiculous bull **** as (snicker) Q, (chuckle) The Kraken, (guffaw) The Plandemic.
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Indeed.

Anyone who believes that Bill & Hilary Clinton were running an organised, international paedophile ring out of the basement of a Washington DC Pizza shop that has no basement, clearly has some serious mental issues
 
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So, out of the 10 billion doses of corona virus vaccine that have been administered, how many have caused problems for the recipients?"

MY ANSWER

It's terrifying, and the numbers are growing fast. But deaths are never written as vaccine deaths, of course. They write whatever the apparent cause is (heart attack, stroke, sudden dementia, corona, cancer...)

By the way, hospitals count those who have received the Sinovac vaccine as unvaccinated, those who have received all vaccines are counted as unvaccinated for the first 14 days, and those who have received the previous dose but have not received the latest dose are again written as unvaccinated. Now, if you haven't received a new dose of vaccine 3 months after taking all doses of vaccine, they will write you as unvaccinated.

Five of my acquaintances died in a short time because of the vaccine, and one was disabled. Of course, they never write the vaccine as the cause of death, they write whatever the apparent cause is (heart attack, stroke, sudden dementia, etc.). The real disaster will begin a few years later for those who receive this gene therapy.

This is an experimental gene therapy given at the same dose to a one-month-old baby and a 70-year-old man, pregnant or anyone with special conditions, ailments, allergies or not, without exception, this is not a vaccine. You can't even give the same dose of spinach or water to these different people.

Also, they mix more than one type of these unknown drugs (Chinese, German and others...) and give them as a cocktail in four doses. Please do not take any new doses from now on. And search the internet for natural cures that will prevent the harm of this therapy.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341944
 
I'll take Manhattan Beach

smartcooky said:
Indeed.

Anyone who believes that Bill & Hilary Clinton were running an organised, international paedophile ring out of the basement of a Washington DC Pizza shop that has no basement, clearly has some serious mental issues
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My prediction is that they will find that the basement interconnects with the McMartin preschool tunnels. Makes it easier to move the kids around.
 
Petra said:
I think what's helpful to understand is the differences between the following:
--- "Doing" science
--- Understanding and criticising science that's put forward
--- Understanding the criticism of the science

--- "Doing" science involves a whole lot of stuff that the non-scientist may well have no clue about it.

--- Understanding and criticising the "done" science may involve quite a lot of knowledge although not necessarily of the experiential kind. It's possible to acquire the knowledge without doing the experiments and so on yourself.

--- Understanding the criticism of science involves far less knowledge. When things that are wrong are pointed out to the lay person they can see if they stand up, especially by the calibre of the response to the criticism ... or lack of one.

If I look at a scientific paper where it is claimed a virus has been isolated I wouldn't have the foggiest, however, when I'm guided through a criticism I can see its validity and I can also see by the lack of response to the criticism that the criticism is valid.

I mentioned in an earlier comment that Kary Mullis attempted a debunking of AGW but just because he's a brilliant scientist doesn't mean he's always right and it's obvious IMMEDIATELY that he didn't do due diligence with his criticism. He just grabbed a single paper with zero consideration of the authors' intentions and made an inference from difference in night-time and daytime temperature increases that the Urban Heat Island effect was responsible when it can be explained by another phenomenon.

You need to let go of the idea that we, as lay people, must "trust" scientists. Even when I had no idea about the fraudulence of science and was very much inclined to believe in AGW from the moment I heard of it I still wanted to look at the opposing argument for my own satisfaction. That is what we should all do - look carefully at the opposing argument and follow the debunking trail.
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I think we may have found our bottleneck.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
" Matthew Best View Post
So, out of the 10 billion doses of corona virus vaccine that have been administered, how many have caused problems for the recipients?"

MY ANSWER

It's terrifying, and the numbers are growing fast. But deaths are never written as vaccine deaths, of course. They write whatever the apparent cause is (heart attack, stroke, sudden dementia, corona, cancer...)

By the way, hospitals count those who have received the Sinovac vaccine as unvaccinated, those who have received all vaccines are counted as unvaccinated for the first 14 days, and those who have received the previous dose but have not received the latest dose are again written as unvaccinated. Now, if you haven't received a new dose of vaccine 3 months after taking all doses of vaccine, they will write you as unvaccinated.

Five of my acquaintances died in a short time because of the vaccine, and one was disabled. Of course, they never write the vaccine as the cause of death, they write whatever the apparent cause is (heart attack, stroke, sudden dementia, etc.). The real disaster will begin a few years later for those who receive this gene therapy.

This is an experimental gene therapy given at the same dose to a one-month-old baby and a 70-year-old man, pregnant or anyone with special conditions, ailments, allergies or not, without exception, this is not a vaccine. You can't even give the same dose of spinach or water to these different people.

Also, they mix more than one type of these unknown drugs (Chinese, German and others...) and give them as a cocktail in four doses. Please do not take any new doses from now on. And search the internet for natural cures that will prevent the harm of this therapy.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=341944
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As I said in the other thread, that isn't an answer.

When someone asks, "how many?", they're asking for a quantity. "It's terrifying, and the numbers are growing fast" is not a quantity. Repeating such a vague evasion only makes it look like you actually have no idea how many.
 
You also said that the vaccines were...

Emre_1974tr said:
...given at the same dose to a one-month-old baby and a 70-year-old man...
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But that's ********. No one is giving the vaccines to one month old babies, and children 5 - 11 get doses that are both diluted and a smaller dose.

So are you blindly repeating the lies of others without verifying their claims, or are you the one lying?
 
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