Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Petra]

Yes, that’s what happens when misinformation is posted to Wikipedia.

Yes, but who posts it?

According to Swiss Propaganda Research an active and influential English Wikipedia administrator called “Slim Virgin” was, in fact, a former British intelligence informer.
https://swprs.org/wikipedia-disinformation-operation.

This is what Professor Martin Cohen said to me in the comments of his article in discussion with me.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/19/thinking-errors-and-the-coronavirus

"By the way, I had some direct conacts with Slim Virgin, who told me about their interest in philosophy and certainly appeared to be a rather bored ‘professional’ editing Wikipedia as a job. They abruptly blocked me from the site on a specicious reason. You should be aware that a great deal of past editing is removed by adminstrators, the claim that the content or the event record (that X edited the page on date Y) for previous edits is preserved is false."

Intelligence is responsible for the "nonsense" in psyops. They're not called intelligence for nothing, these people are super smart.

 

[MBDK]

Where's the pandemic?

A little late now, but all you had to do was visit a major hospital, where patients were treated.

My argument is that the science put forward for the virus and covid is fraudulent and these symptoms can simply be explained by something else even if I don't know what that something else is.

Your argument is unsupported speculation based on ignorance. That's YOUR fault. Educate yourself in the rigors of medical and scientific practices, THEN your opinion may have some merit.

If people tested positive for covid but were sick with something else and weren't tested for other possible illness then perhaps those people died unnecessarily because they didn't receive the correct treatment. If they had pneumonia, for example, they might have survived if they'd been given antibiotics. One would hope that this didn't happen but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it did.

People are treated for the symptoms they display, and their test results. People who do not respond to those treatments as expected are tested further. Your "If I Ran the Zoo" logical fallacy that every patient should be tested for every possible ailment is wasteful, time-consuming and impractical.

 

[Petra]

Oops! We cross-posted again!

Who is @rachadchahine? Why should we believe that this video shows what they say it does?

You don't have to believe it, however, it chimes in with other "nonsenses".

Did you read that article? I only ask because it is a debunking of the very snakes-as-covid-repositories idea that you seem to believe.

Seriously? Of course, I don't believe it. They push out nonsense and then debunk it. It's their way.

"They" are the very rich and powerful from all around the globe and include the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Clintons, Bushes, Royal Families, Gates, Epstein, and many names we've never heard of.
Oh, how disappointing. Bog-standard conspiracy crap.

If you have a better idea of who "they" are I'm all ears ... but then I guess you don't believe in a "they".

 

[junkshop]

You don't have to believe it, however, it chimes in with other "nonsenses".



Seriously? Of course, I don't believe it. They push out nonsense and then debunk it. It's their way.



If you have a better idea of who "they" are I'm all ears ... but then I guess you don't believe in a "they".

Sorry, I think I may have misunderstood your previous posts.

Am I right in thinking that your position is that the obviously ridiculous claims (people falling flat on their faces and snakes-as-repositories, for example) are evidence that Covid19 is a hoax, perpetrated by 'them' in order to gain more control over people?

 

[MBDK]

Person laid out on the floor and another falling flat on their face.
https://twitter.com/rachadchahine/status/1220785179146563585

Man stretched out in the video shown within the article, Coronavirus: Man found dead in street in face mask in shocking image
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...hina-wuhan-picture-man-outbreak-a9310846.html

You think a tweet and video of a man who appears to be dead are evidence, yet you reject legitimate scientific studies? That doesn't bother you?

And FYI, the person in the tweet that fell face first was acting, perhaps during a drill exercise, but that reason is speculation. You can see them lean stiffly forward, reach out just soon enough to break their fall, THEN lie motionless.

 

[carlitos]

Thank you, but with all due respect, we are asking the posters who have claimed this video/ these videos are evidence for their arguments to provide their evidence.

They shouldn't rely on a third party to provide their evidence, and we shouldn't be expected to search through a 'couple of months' of your posts to find the evidence they couldn't be bothered to post or to link to.

I totally agree, but I just remembered that I saw it on Snopes as well. So here it is for your information, it really won’t affect the beliefs of Bubba and Petra who both mentioned it here.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavirus/

I originally heard it on the Alex Jones show, along with some almost comical screaming that the natural news guy shared on that same show. Allegedly Covid victims in China were screaming and it got secretly recorded and smuggled out. This was back when the pandemic was going to kill us all, long before the vaccine was going to kill us all. Totally inconsistent as always. This is the thing about Misinformation, the purveyors move onto the next thing and poor people like Bubba and Petra still remember the original story that they heard. Which was obviously fake, as is the new story, as will be the next story that they see in their bad information sources.

 

[Aridas]

Maybe we could start calling you "Russian agent Bubba"? I mean, we have just as much evidence for that as you have for Gates being a eugenisist.

We certainly can't call you "cartographer Bubba".

Alternately, "the boy who cried wolf." With that said, to poke at one of the fundamental issues I have with Bubba's expressed stances, just because - I'll oversimplify a little for brevity, but most of the stances that I hold are rooted in the desire for society to be as happy, healthy, and sustainable as reasonably possible. Individual rights, free speech, and so on are good to the extent that they result in good and bad when they cross over into doing harm. With Bubba, he seems to be grasping onto whichever principle is being used as cover without any serious attempt to comprehend it more deeply. His version of free speech support comes across as no better than someone grasping onto the concept "drinking water is good for one's health" and defending people who push other people out into the middle of the ocean because the pushers were just helping them get all the water they need.

 

[MBDK]

Am I right in thinking that your position is that the obviously ridiculous claims (people falling flat on their faces and snakes-as-repositories, for example) are evidence that Covid19 is a hoax, perpetrated by 'them' in order to gain more control over people?

If that is indeed Petra's postulate, they did a terrible job, as only conspiracy fools think that worked.

 

[Petra]

Sorry, I think I may have misunderstood your previous posts.

Am I right in thinking that your position is that the obviously ridiculous claims (people falling flat on their faces and snakes-as-repositories, for example) are evidence that Covid19 is a hoax, perpetrated by 'them' in order to gain more control over people?

Yes. There seem to be at least two reasons.

1. It works better as indicated by this quote that while said about communist propaganda equally applies to what we see in psyops.

"The purpose of propaganda is not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponds to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control."

Edited quote from Theodore Dalrymple, aka Anthony Daniels, British psychiatrist."

2. It's been said but I cannot vouch for it, of course, that those in charge feel that they need to tell us the truth underneath the propaganda. By doing so they push the onus onto us to call them out and if we don't they are spared "karmic repercussions". So while sometimes they give us nonsense that undermines their narrative they actually tell us the plain truth, for example, here Mike Pompeo says that "We're in a live exercise" which was what I immediately said about the alleged pandemic. Psyops are often in the form of a "live exercise" pushed out as real.
https://youtu.be/3Qscuw_3aUk

3. It's also possible I guess that they use the fact that they "tell us" as a way to persuade participants to be part of their fraud. Perhaps they say to them, "Look, we're telling the truth underneath the propaganda, it's not so bad." But I'm just hazarding a guess, I don't know.

 

[junkshop]

I totally agree, but I just remembered that I saw it on Snopes as well. So here it is for your information, it really won’t affect the beliefs of Bubba and Petra who both mentioned it here.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavirus/

I originally heard it on the Alex Jones show, along with some almost comical screaming that the natural news guy shared on that same show. Allegedly Covid victims in China were screaming and it got secretly recorded and smuggled out. This was back when the pandemic was going to kill us all, long before the vaccine was going to kill us all. Totally inconsistent as always. This is the thing about Misinformation, the purveyors move onto the next thing and poor people like Bubba and Petra still remember the original story that they heard. Which was obviously fake, as is the new story, as will be the next story that they see in their bad information sources.

Thanks for the link. Interestingly, it seems (although I can't be sure) that Petra is saying that the falling down videos are fake, and somehow part of 'their' plan to make us believe that there is such a thing as Covid19. I'm waiting for more information, but the plan seems to be 'convince the plebs that there's a pandemic --> something --> something --> profit (and/or power^*)!'


^*Although the people and organisations accused of being 'them' seem to be fairly powerful already, so maybe that shhould be more power.

 

[Petra]

You think a tweet and video of a man who appears to be dead are evidence, yet you reject legitimate scientific studies? That doesn't bother you?

And FYI, the person in the tweet that fell face first was acting, perhaps during a drill exercise, but that reason is speculation. You can see them lean stiffly forward, reach out just soon enough to break their fall, THEN lie motionless.

The "legitimate scientific studies" have been debunked in a way I find completely compelling.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless

I don't find debunking of climate science compelling and I don't find debunking of the moon landings compelling. I'm not some mindless conspiracy theorist, OK? I look at what's presented and try to work it out with an open mind.

Here's a site for you to get your teeth stuck into - WARNING: NOT A VIROLOGIST and whose grammar and spelling are not perfect, just someone who's studied:
ViroLIEgy.com - Exposing the lies of Germ Theory and virology using their own sources.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Hey, Petra, how are you getting along debunking the hundreds of thousands of papers that are available on PubMed regarding Sars-Cov-2 and COVID-19? You know, thousands and thousands of scientific papers written about something that apparently doesn't even exist?

 

[MBDK]

It's a question of getting down to the nitty-gritty.

Some major points

1. Claim by five science teams: they have isolated virus.
On questioning, they admit that their electron micrographs do not show purified virus particles. This article only shows the responses of four science teams but I know the authors later wrote to the Australian science team who published in the Medical Journal of Australia (prompted by my question to the authors about that paper) and got the same answer from them.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless

2. There are no scientific papers showing there is a causal relationship between any pathogen and covid which doesn't have a distinctive set of symptoms.

3. There is clear evidence that mortality is being misassigned to covid.

4. The mortality assigned to covid is preponderantly in old people.

5. The PCR test is not a diagnostic test and people aren't "diagnosed" with covid, they are considered a "case" purely on the basis of a positive result.

I'm really not sure what more evidence you need.

None of what you posted is valid evidence.

1. Electron microscopy is not required to purify a virus, as it destroys most (if not all) of it in the process. here is a run down of how viruses can be studied/purified (from 2017) - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7149989/

2. Not sure what you are claiming in this word salad. Please elaborate with specific expectations.

3. Evidence??? None of significance, I can confidently predict.

4. Actual evidence for a disease that attacks multiple organs - not seen in influenza.

5. Incorrect. Asymptomatic cases are still cases.

 

[Blue Mountain]

https://swprs.org/wikipedia-disinformation-operation.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/19/thinking-errors-and-the-coronavirus

The "legitimate scientific studies" have been debunked in a way I find completely compelling.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless

Petra, neither Swiss Policy Research nor Off-Guardian are reliable sites. They both publish conspiracy theories, misleading information, and at times provably false information.

Here's a site for you to get your teeth stuck into - WARNING: NOT A VIROLOGIST and whose grammar and spelling are not perfect, just someone who's studied:
ViroLIEgy.com - Exposing the lies of Germ Theory and virology using their own sources.

Wait, are you saying the germ theory of disease is wrong? That there's no such thing as invasive bacteria and viruses? That rabies, salmonella, influenza, and polio don't exist?

 

[Petra]

Some will pretend psyops do not exist, or that tyrants are not applying the military version to citizens.

Yes, or they're just "military" psyops.

This is a good video from Bitchuter, Trillstina, on the Kyle Rittenhouse "event". She mentions how psyops are supposed to be just military and used on the enemy and yet they're used on government's own citizens.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/G1v7KSMXALwy/

 

[Petra]

Petra, neither Swiss Policy Research nor Off-Guardian are reliable sites. They both publish conspiracy theories, misleading information, and at times provably false information.

Says who? Fact-checkers?

Oh dear, it's content Blue Mountain content. Use your own brain to determine what stands up to scrutiny and what doesn't.

Professor Martin Cohen
https://twitter.com/docmartincohen

 

[Petra]

Hey, Petra, how are you getting along debunking the hundreds of thousands of papers that are available on PubMed regarding Sars-Cov-2 and COVID-19? You know, thousands and thousands of scientific papers written about something that apparently doesn't even exist?

All you have to do is debunk the isolation of the virus in the first place ... and then everything else is swept off the table in one fell swoop.

 

[Petra]

OK, I'm signing off for awhile again. Why don't you "skeptics" really approach the debunking argument with an open mind and rather than just arguing with the covid deniers on here, why not really take a proper look? When I looked for argument debunking the moon landings and climate change I went and had a proper look. I looked back and forth at the arguments, I really tried to keep an open mind.

This is my webpage which has links to a number of other pages. Cosmic Yak was immediately scared off by 9/11 and Sandy Hook on the menu but you don't have to look at other pages, just look at this one and if you bother to read it and have problems with it then you can email me at petral@iinet.net.au. I will return here but I can't sit typing all day and I know that's what I'm inclined to do on this page.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020

 

[Aridas]

The "legitimate scientific studies" have been debunked in a way I find completely compelling.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless

To poke at that... a couple things.

1) The OffGuardian is a problematic source to cite from the start.
2) You really should seriously evaluate whether the OffGuardian is actually a Russian psyop, given its track record.
3) That specific article earned a Pants on Fire rating from PolitiFact, and with good cause. Going further, though, that's from mid 2020 and is even less convincing when cited as if it debunks covid now.

I don't find debunking of climate science compelling and I don't find debunking of the moon landings compelling. I'm not some mindless conspiracy theorist, OK? I look at what's presented and try to work it out with an open mind.

To be fair, few conspiracy theorists are mindless in the first place.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

All you have to do is debunk the isolation of the virus in the first place ... and then everything else is swept off the table in one fell swoop.

Well, firstly, that hasn't been done, despite all your feverish insistence that it has: your only reason for believing this is that the fact-checkers have not responded to an email, which is, of course, no reason at all, just desperate straw-clutching.
Secondly, no it isn't, because you then need to show how all the hundreds of thousands of papers were written by scientists, about something that didn't exist. Did none of them know they were studying something that wasn't there, or all they all lying?
You see, in order to maintain these kind of conspiratorial beliefs, you need to keep adding layers of conspiracy on top of the previous ones, rather than acknowledge the total lack of evidence and plausibility for these claims. You see this kind of classic conspiracy layer cake all over the place- 9/11, UFOs, fluoride, to name but a few. It invariably points to confused and biased thinking.