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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV
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Oh, it can't be covid... except for the fact covid has caused excess mortality. To deny it is BS, or an inability to do math.
What is your cause of the excess mortality? Is the 913,924 deaths related to covid? (not all the deaths from covid are the in excess count, but it does not mean covid is not the major reason for excess death)
Flu related deaths through the years are 12,000 to 60,000 in the USA...
Excess deaths due to covid is a fact - Got any thing?
Dr Sam Bailey makes misleading claims... how did you find BS on covid? Did you listen to her video? Can you point out the false claims, or misleading claims? I can, can you? This is simple.
Plus - Dr Mark Bailey and Dr John Bevan-Smith seem like conspiracy theorists. Did you read their paranoid paper, or go with the headlines?> They had me when they claim Covid 19 is fake. You found some winners... guess you could use their quackery to support an anti-vax agenda -
How did they fool you? Did they put in some truth mixed with the BS? What is it that fools intelligent people to fall for BS like you found?
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Pixel42
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@Petra: it sounds like you decide what you would prefer to believe, and then go looking for evidence to support that belief. In case you don't know, that is exactly the wrong way to go about discovering the truth about anything. Indeed, the human tendency to make that mistake is why the scientific method had to be invented.
The real reasons for the differences in numbers and timing of excess death peaks in Spain and Portugal are not hard to discover. Please try again, without making any prior assumptions as to what they are, or are not, most likely to be.
The real reasons for the differences in numbers and timing of excess death peaks in Spain and Portugal are not hard to discover. Please try again, without making any prior assumptions as to what they are, or are not, most likely to be.
Cosmic Yak
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Sam Bailey is currently under investigation by the NZ Medical Council for posting obviously false claims.
She is also no longer a doctor, even though she still describes herself as one. Naughty.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/docto...cil-investigation/DWGDMQRV4J4N7OPQMOLADVRMQM/
To add to what Pixel42 said, it is a mistake to assume that the outliers are telling the truth, and everyone else is lying and covering up the truth. It is entirely possible that someone has been ostracised from their profession because they are just wrong.
What you need to do is examine the actual evidence, and its evaluation by experts. Humility is a good thing: I don't think I'm in any way qualified to assess scientific research to any degree of depth, so I leave that to those who have years of experience and good qualifications.
She is also no longer a doctor, even though she still describes herself as one. Naughty.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/docto...cil-investigation/DWGDMQRV4J4N7OPQMOLADVRMQM/
To add to what Pixel42 said, it is a mistake to assume that the outliers are telling the truth, and everyone else is lying and covering up the truth. It is entirely possible that someone has been ostracised from their profession because they are just wrong.
What you need to do is examine the actual evidence, and its evaluation by experts. Humility is a good thing: I don't think I'm in any way qualified to assess scientific research to any degree of depth, so I leave that to those who have years of experience and good qualifications.
How about 5.5 million, and multi-millions more with pulmonary and neurological issues?
None that you've ever demonstrated.
CANE.
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Well, I'm sure the smartest person we'll likely ever encounter* (and works in science)** doesn't need any stinkin' fact checking, just fevered CTs and unevidenced claims.
*Probably needs fact checking.
**Ditto.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Thousands of people die every day from Covid 19, a few thousand people at most have died from the Covid 19 vaccines. Some posters appear to think that saving the latter is worth sacrificing the former.
While at the same time totally ignoring the long term effects many suffer from contracting covid.
Where is your argument, you're just spouting anti-conspiracy propaganda
You need to be more specific.
I listened to her video on excess mortality, did you? In her video, she quotes figures from euromomo as I stated. Do you dispute the figures she quotes and the correlation we can see with the countries that conducted aggressive drug trials. It's all laid out clearly.
Spain - big excess spike, neighbouring Portugal lower spike than in 2017
Spain - aggressive drug trials, Portugal no drug trials.
And we see other correlations
What exactly do you dispute?
I'm not sure how you can call doctors and scientists "conspiracy theorists" when generally what they're doing is talking about science, they're not pointing the finger at people and calling them conspiracists, they're simply talking about science. They may be wrong, sure, but to apply the term "conspiracy theorist" to doctors and scientists speaking against the mainstream narrative is ludicrous. In the case of the paper I do admit there is some conspiracy talk going on ... but then that is because there is a conspiracy, that is the fact of the matter. But you simply spout anti-conspiracy propaganda jargon, you have no specific criticism of their refutation of the science presented to us, all you can do is call "conspiracy theory/ist", "anti-vaxxer", you have no argument, you're simply full of hot air.
You need to be more specific.
I listened to her video on excess mortality, did you? In her video, she quotes figures from euromomo as I stated. Do you dispute the figures she quotes and the correlation we can see with the countries that conducted aggressive drug trials. It's all laid out clearly.
Spain - big excess spike, neighbouring Portugal lower spike than in 2017
Spain - aggressive drug trials, Portugal no drug trials.
And we see other correlations
What exactly do you dispute?
I'm not sure how you can call doctors and scientists "conspiracy theorists" when generally what they're doing is talking about science, they're not pointing the finger at people and calling them conspiracists, they're simply talking about science. They may be wrong, sure, but to apply the term "conspiracy theorist" to doctors and scientists speaking against the mainstream narrative is ludicrous. In the case of the paper I do admit there is some conspiracy talk going on ... but then that is because there is a conspiracy, that is the fact of the matter. But you simply spout anti-conspiracy propaganda jargon, you have no specific criticism of their refutation of the science presented to us, all you can do is call "conspiracy theory/ist", "anti-vaxxer", you have no argument, you're simply full of hot air.
Nooo, under investigation? Shame.
As I said, she's now persona non grata so, of course, she's under investigation. If you wish to claim that she's making false claims then you need to state what those false claims are. You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts. For goodness sake.
Long before I found Sam Bailey I didn't believe a word of what we were being told. I didn't believe a word from Day One when they showed us - in complete contradiction of reality - people falling flat on their faces and people laid out on the ground and on hospital floors, when they told us that hospitals were being erected in 48 hours and when they told us that two particular species of snakes were found to be reservoirs of the virus. That sort of complete nonsense was a clear indicator we were being lied to so I didn't believe a word from Day One and no evidence has come to light to make me change my mind.
As I said, she's now persona non grata so, of course, she's under investigation. If you wish to claim that she's making false claims then you need to state what those false claims are. You need to think for yourself and not just spout what a conservative medical body spouts. For goodness sake.
You're the one making assumptions. I've stated my case clearly. In the video cited, Sam Bailey quotes figures from Euromomo showing that there is a correlation between spikes in excess mortality and countries in Europe which conducted aggressive drug trials. No assumptions, just facts and figures.
Long before I found Sam Bailey I didn't believe a word of what we were being told. I didn't believe a word from Day One when they showed us - in complete contradiction of reality - people falling flat on their faces and people laid out on the ground and on hospital floors, when they told us that hospitals were being erected in 48 hours and when they told us that two particular species of snakes were found to be reservoirs of the virus. That sort of complete nonsense was a clear indicator we were being lied to so I didn't believe a word from Day One and no evidence has come to light to make me change my mind.
How on earth do you come to your conclusions?
But couldn't I make the same assertion about you - you decide to believe the mainstream narrative because that suits you and what do you find? Well, you're just overloaded with evidence that supports that narrative.
Kary Mullis, the Nobel-prize winning inventor of the PCR technique, fraudulently being used to test for the alleged sars-cov-2, said:
"The scientist aims to prove their hypothesis wrong."
When I heard him say that, I thought, "Yep, that's what I do. I test my hypothesis from every possible angle to ensure it is correct."
Do you realise that such a claim has zero credibility? To have credibility what you need to do is present at least the bare bones of a case for the reasons that there is a large excess spike in Spain in April 2020 and a lower spike in Portugal than in 2017. You've obviously discovered the reasons, no? So why not give a hint at least what those reasons are. And rather than say that the reasons are not hard to discover why not simply point me to where?
But couldn't I make the same assertion about you - you decide to believe the mainstream narrative because that suits you and what do you find? Well, you're just overloaded with evidence that supports that narrative.
Kary Mullis, the Nobel-prize winning inventor of the PCR technique, fraudulently being used to test for the alleged sars-cov-2, said:
"The scientist aims to prove their hypothesis wrong."
When I heard him say that, I thought, "Yep, that's what I do. I test my hypothesis from every possible angle to ensure it is correct."
Do you realise that such a claim has zero credibility? To have credibility what you need to do is present at least the bare bones of a case for the reasons that there is a large excess spike in Spain in April 2020 and a lower spike in Portugal than in 2017. You've obviously discovered the reasons, no? So why not give a hint at least what those reasons are. And rather than say that the reasons are not hard to discover why not simply point me to where?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Except that I, being aware of the human tendency I described, do actively seek out contrary evidence. That's precisely why I'm subscribed to this thread, and have been reading it and its predecessors for nearly two years. I have yet to see any such contrary evidence (including yours) that stands up to even the most cursory investigation.
Because I know from experience how pointless that is. You need to find them yourself before you'll give them credibility.
W.D.Clinger
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As compelling arguments go, that is not one of them.
Someone told me house fires are highly correlated with the sounds of sirens. Sirens must cause house fires.
Yes, you have.
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Are you on drugs?
Allow me to translate from CE speak:
“I bet those grapes are sour anyway”
What are 'aggressive' drug trials? Almost all trials include a placebo arm so if the drug was causing excess mortality it would be obvious. Can you name one drug trial causing excess mortality run in Spring 2020?
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Still not as funny as watching you pretend that no one can see you ignoring the questions about that "science work" you did.
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Are you on drugs?
The smartest drugs any of us has ever encountered.
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Cooked up by only Nobel Prize Winners, distributed only by people with at least a doctoral grade.
The (((global elites))) are after her, but it's not a conspiracy theory. For goodness sake. /s
Yeah, there's bad science out there, and some of the worst kind is politically-motivated propaganda. Looks like it suits you to wallow in it.
In real life science thrives on challenging assumptions. That's how we move forward. Your narrative is a paranoid fantasy.
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