The Jan. 6 Investigation

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ANybody who thinks this going to have a peaceful ending is living in la la land.
Yeah. I used to think you were just engaging in hyperbole. What kills me is that is does not need to be a third world country, it is choosing to be one. Every american I know is going "what are we doing to ourselves?"
 
Yeah. I used to think you were just engaging in hyperbole. What kills me is that is does not need to be a third world country, it is choosing to be one. Every american I know is going "what are we doing to ourselves?"

Without doubt the US has the world's largest economy and is the source of all kinds of innovations. In this respect it's absolutely at the pinnacle of the developed world.

OTOH the levels of inequality in the US, the approach to providing healthcare, the relationship between the populace and their government, the attitude to using guns for personal protection and a myriad other things are more redolent of a developing country.
 
Without doubt the US has the world's largest economy and is the source of all kinds of innovations. In this respect it's absolutely at the pinnacle of the developed world. OTOH the levels of inequality in the US, the approach to providing healthcare, the relationship between the populace and their government, the attitude to using guns for personal protection and a myriad other things are more redolent of a developing country.

This is semi true. Really depends on how you measure it. China is closing in and if you measure GDP by Capita, the US is like fifteenth. I also can show you incredible inventions all over the world. I'd say when it comes to say civil engineering and manufacturing China has passed us by.
 
The problem is the mythology that that innovation and creativity have anything to do with basic societal safety nets, as if giving society one is risking the other.

America will become more innovative if people aren't scared and scrounging.
 
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The problem is the mythology that that innovation and creativity have anything to do with basic societal safety nets, as if giving society one is risking the other.

America will become more innovative if people are scared and scrounging.

Yeah. Like that has worked all over the world. :rolleyes:
 
Without doubt the US has the world's largest economy and is the source of all kinds of innovations. In this respect it's absolutely at the pinnacle of the developed world.

OTOH the levels of inequality in the US, the approach to providing healthcare, the relationship between the populace and their government, the attitude to using guns for personal protection and a myriad other things are more redolent of a developing country.

Allow me to dissent on guns. I am in favor of some controls, but don't get the hostiltiy to private gun ownership some people have.
 
Allow me to dissent on guns. I am in favor of some controls, but don't get the hostiltiy to private gun ownership some people have.

Maybe if you saw your friends gunned down by a gun nut you might understand.
 
I see Trump is at it again with his coded message of 'protests':





Projecting there much, Donnie?

He's dog whistling to his people yet again. The man is nuts. He's also telling people exactly what he thinks of the Jan. 6 insurrectionists and promising to pardon them if he's POTUS again in 2024:



IOW: Don't cooperate with the investigation or police and I'll pardon you.

I have disliked a slew of politicians in my life, but never one as much as this POS.

You dislike him I would love to take My 2 1/2 Acre Hill side, take My five Tractors and carve a Giant crap Emogi and Name it GQP.
But I know it would only get my house shot up at night here.
 
You dislike him I would love to take My 2 1/2 Acre Hill side, take My five Tractors and carve a Giant crap Emogi and Name it GQP.
But I know it would only get my house shot up at night here.

Better still, take a farm machine you use to spread fertilizer and call it GqP.
 
It goes something like, "most of the Republicans are traitorous, and attached at the hip to Trump...therefore we can't allow those types on the committee".

I think that's a very poor description. The problem was not a general rejection of Republicans--specific names were rejected for being particularly unsuited, especially since they may be implicated. Then instead of negotiating the Republicans pulled the whole list and jumped right to claiming the Democrats didn't really want a bipartisan committee.
 
I think that's a very poor description. The problem was not a general rejection of Republicans--specific names were rejected for being particularly unsuited, especially since they may be implicated. Then instead of negotiating the Republicans pulled the whole list and jumped right to claiming the Democrats didn't really want a bipartisan committee.

Had they been implicated? I think it is more because they were ardent Trump supporters.
 
I think that's a very poor description. The problem was not a general rejection of Republicans--specific names were rejected for being particularly unsuited, especially since they may be implicated. Then instead of negotiating the Republicans pulled the whole list and jumped right to claiming the Democrats didn't really want a bipartisan committee.

And in any case, there are two Republicans on the committee, which makes it bipartisan (an inconvenient fact that Warp12 ignores).

Of the Republicans that McCarthy put up for the January 6 committee (Jim Banks, Jim Jordan, Troy Nehls, Rodney Davis and Kelly Armstrong) the first three nominees were among the 147 House Republicans who voted to overturn the election, and the first two were up to their miserable necks in the insurrection, especially Gym Jordan. His nomination was a pure piss-take. When Jordan tried to help Liz Cheney during the Capitol siege, she smacked his hand away and said "Get away from me! You ******* did this!". McCarthy knew this - he was there.

The fact is that Nehls, Davis and Armstrong were accepted by Nancy Pelosi to serve on the committee (another inconvenient fact that Warp12 tries to pretend never happened). However, when the other two were rejected, McCarthy spat the dummy and withdrew all five nominations. If he had acted like a grown-up instead of throwing a Trump-tanty, there would now be five Republicans on that committee.

Of course, the reason McCarthy nominated those particular people is obvious to any observer who has been paying attention, or to anyone with something remotely resembling a brain between their ears.... he was hedging his bets. He knew perfectly well that Jordan and Banks would be completely unacceptable and if rejected, he could pull the other three in an faux act of moral indignation and claim it was a partisan witch hunt. However, if either of the two in question were accepted, they would try to disrupt the investigation and spy on the proceedings in order to feed hot flashes back to him so he could get ahead of any evidence that might come to light. Apparently, he was absolutely furious when Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger volunteered and were appointed, and he hit the roof when Liz Cheney was appointed vice-chair.

The simple fact of the matter is that McCarthy did not want any investigation at all, because he and his minions are frightened of what will come out.

Personally, I dislike Liz Cheney and her politics, but here, she gets credit for her attitude to Trump's election lies and to the insurrection. She has been punished by her party for being one of the rarest types of US politicians you will ever find... an honourable Republican!
 
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