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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Steve said:
Long before that happens Childlike Empress will probably be dead from a "a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone" (D. Adams).
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Yep 100% of the people who got the vaccine will die and that will be touted as proof.

Actually long covid may shorten the lives of x% of people - Covid is going to leave a long trail of early deaths I fear.
 
carlitos said:
As mentioned in this thread, there is a far-right myth that athletes have been dropping dead from vaccines.

Paywall article from the WaPo

How the falsehood of athletes dying from coronavirus vaccines spread



The spread of that one misreported fact snowballed from one misinformation site to another, to another, to another, to the social media feed of Senator Johnson and this forum. It's a nice forensic analysis of how these fake stories spread online through misinformation artists. At every step below, we can safely imagine thousands and thousands of social media shares of this info on Facebook, Telegram, Gab, GETTR, Twitter, etc. Not to mention right-wing radio and podcasts.
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Both COVID and the vaccine produce pieces of the S1 subunit of the spike protein that can persist in monocytes resulting in long haul COVID symptoms and ongoing endothelial damage, resulting in numerous pathologies such as clots, strokes and heart attacks.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.746021/full

So these "fact checkers" can claim its debunked all day long, but the links are out there for anyone to click on. Here's a few that have died or collapsed on the field last month.

https://www.armaghi.com/news/lurgan...amie-hoye-who-was-the-kindest-wee-soul/154422
https://www.kagstv.com/article/traf...rash/499-da308ed7-3f5c-4b69-afff-2dabe39c8633
https://www.sciotopost.com/jude-michael-little-15-of-chillicothe-died-unexpectedly/
https://www.wifr.com/2022/01/29/remembering-life-aquin-coach-adam-holder/
https://kashmir.today/sopore-mbbs-student-dies-of-heart-attack/
https://www.rolnews.com.br/noticia/...passar-mal-em-jogo-de-futebol-em-ariquemes-ro
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fit-healthy-teen-put-coma-26088893
https://pagesix.com/2022/01/14/clint-arlis-bachelorette-alum-dead-at-34/
https://www.milanotoday.it/cronaca/amir-morto-oratorio-cesano.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...ms-Covid-vaccine-players-inflammed-heart.html
https://www.eventiavversinews.it/e-...ai-il-calciatore-londinese-35enne-alfie-nunn/
https://www.eventiavversinews.it/mu...rovviso-il-portiere-spagnolo-mateo-hernandez/
https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/spor...es-sudden-illness-nathan-rogalski/6632572001/
https://www.ansa.it/veneto/notizie/...nne_97a4378a-e397-4afe-b88e-58d34b91b669.html
https://www.20minutes.fr/faits_dive...rseille-apneiste-28-ans-decede-large-catalans
https://www.hoy.es/prov-badajoz/deportista-anos-tras-20220123212233-nt_amp.html
https://www.saudi24news.com/2022/01...munther-al-harassi-on-the-field-football.html
https://www.sofoot.com/adam-ounas-n...-a-cause-d-une-anomalie-cardiaque-509862.html
https://www.sofoot.com/adam-ounas-n...-a-cause-d-une-anomalie-cardiaque-509862.html
https://www.lequipe.fr/Tennis/Actua...u-deuxieme-tour-de-l-open-d-australie/1311767
https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/9...spac-jak-zwykle-ale-juz-nigdy-sie-nie-obudzil
https://hoy.com.do/fallece-nieto-de-ruben-maldonado-mientras-jugaba-baloncesto/
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/ne...hgate-hearts-death-tributes/?rec_article=true
https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/new...-herzmuskelentzuendung-nach-booster-li.206680
https://www.francebleu.fr/sports/ba...re-a-cause-d-une-maladie-cardiaque-1642526734
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/jamie-vincent-former-yeovil-town-6513675
https://www.eventiavversinews.it/pr...juventus-marco-da-graca-dovra-essere-operato/
https://pleno.news/brasil/cidades/morre-ciclista-mariana-merlo-aos-27-anos-apos-mal-subito.html
https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/canad...s-heart-muscle-issue-after-covid-19-1.5739979

I got a lot more where those came from.
 
Still having trouble sorting out the allegation of altered DNA and gene therapy and whatnot. It appears that there has been some gene manipulation in the production of the vaccines, whose RNA then leads us to produce a protein similar to part of the protein the disease carries, which then excites our immune system against the disease it thinks has appeared. This, rather than the usual sort of vaccine which introduces a little bit of the disease itself, to produce a similar immune response. Our own DNA is, we are told, not involved, and the RNA, its job done, leaves soon after. Is that not the basic, if simplistic, idea?

Are the anti vaxxers somehow trying to say that if I eat a GMO tomato, it will change my DNA?
 
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michaelsuede said:
Both COVID and the vaccine produce pieces of the S1 subunit of the spike protein that can persist in monocytes resulting in long haul COVID symptoms and ongoing endothelial damage, resulting in numerous pathologies such as clots, strokes and heart attacks.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.746021/full

So these "fact checkers" can claim its debunked all day long, but the links are out there for anyone to click on. Here's a few that have died or collapsed on the field last month.

I got a lot more where those came from.
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You do know sudden cardiac death in athletes (and normal people) is a well recognised phenomenon described before Covid. Many countries have screening programs for elite athletes to try and address this issue. It is due to a variety of genetic disorders leading to cardiac arrythmias. Having a bigger stronger heart puts you at increased risk of sudden death. You would need studies to show that this was more common in the vaccinated athletes versus the non-vaccinated to mean anything. Not just a list of people with sudden cardiac death.

A friend of mine a doctor, dropped dead at a night out a few years ago. Being surrounded by slightly inebriated doctors she got enthusiastic resuscitation, survived and has an implanted defibrillator. This was pre-covid so she was not vaccinated against covid.

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The goalkeeper was one of a number of Sunderland players to contract Covid-19 at the start of January but, while the others have returned to action, Burge has been unable to because of a lingering heart problem.
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So this was a post-covid myocarditis, the evidence shows that whilst post vaccine myocarditis has no long term effects post covid myocarditis can cause permanent heart damage. Thanks for providing an argument to support vaccination.
 
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Hans said:
They haven't yet figured out that the vast evil & murderous conspiracy isn't going to be defeated by posting here.

They can 'fight' it comfortably at home here but in reality if said conspiracy did exist that would mean fighting - as in warfare and lawfare - and that would take real effort - money and blood - something they are not willing to do.
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Nice stick you've got there, Hans. I always like this argument by conspiracy deniers because it is pure projection. They not dealing with the facts turns into people facing reality somehow not going bonkers. Or what is this "doing something about it" supposed to mean? As long as the majority of people are hoodwinked by the most sophisticated propaganda apparatus that ever existed, the only peaceful means to "do something" is educational. Rest assured we are not posting here for the (stubborn and cowardly) residents. We are posting for the audience. And rest assured facing reality is more difficult than your "random chance" universe.
 
bruto said:
Still having trouble sorting out the allegation of altered DNA and gene therapy and whatnot. It appears that there has been some gene manipulation in the production of the vaccines, whose RNA then leads us to produce a protein similar to part of the protein the disease carries, which then excites our immune system against the disease it thinks has appeared. This, rather than the usual sort of vaccine which introduces a little bit of the disease itself, to produce a similar immune response. Our own DNA is, we are told, not involved, and the RNA, its job done, leaves soon after. Is that not the basic, if simplistic, idea?

Are the anti vaxxers somehow trying to say that if I eat a GMO tomato, it will change my DNA?
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The vaccines don't intentionally alter your DNA, although that can happen through a process called reverse transcription. However, they do cause your own cells to produce the spike protein found on the SARS-CoV-2 virus. This spike protein is a known toxin and can cause all sorts of damage.

In some people, a chunk of the spike protein called the S1 subunit can get absorbed by white blood cells (monocytes) that fight infection. These white blood cells can then go on to transform into something called a non-classical monocytes that end up living far longer than a normal white blood cell, and because they have this S1 protein, they can end up causing inflammation in all sorts of tissues throughout your body.

Inflammation resulting from these non-classical monocytes is what is responsible for long haul COVID symptoms, and it can lead to all sorts of vascular damage or other issues, such as ringing of the ears or neurological conditions.
 
Planigale said:
You do know sudden cardiac death in athletes (and normal people) is a well recognised phenomenon described before Covid. Many countries have screening programs for elite athletes to try and address this issue. It is due to a variety of genetic disorders leading to cardiac arrythmias. Having a bigger stronger heart puts you at increased risk of sudden death. You would need studies to show that this was more common in the vaccinated athletes versus the non-vaccinated to mean anything. Not just a list of people with sudden cardiac death.

A friend of mine a doctor, dropped dead at a night out a few years ago. Being surrounded by slightly inebriated doctors she got enthusiastic resuscitation, survived and has an implanted defibrillator. This was pre-covid so she was not vaccinated against covid.

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So this was a post-covid myocarditis, the evidence shows that whilst post vaccine myocarditis has no long term effects post covid myocarditis can cause permanent heart damage. Thanks for providing an argument to support vaccination.
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As you point out, we know sudden cardiac death can occur in athletes. So the question becomes, has baseline levels of sudden cardiac death increased among young athletes. In November, Israel reported a 5-fold increase of such deaths.

The myocarditis from vaccine hasn't been proven to cause permanent heart damage.... yet. I heard one nurse saying she saw scaring on 1/3rd of young boys in their MRI imaging who were treated for vaccine induced myocarditis. So we'll see how that plays out. Scarring is permanent and this vaccine damage has only just begun to be investigated.

While COVID could cause the same injuries - what has not been studied at all is if early treatment with ivermectin can stop COVID myocarditis from forming while simultaneously giving the benefits of broad immunity through natural infection. Oh, and risk of COVID myocarditis in boys is much much lower than the vaccine.
 
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bruto said:
Still having trouble sorting out the allegation of altered DNA and gene therapy and whatnot. It appears that there has been some gene manipulation in the production of the vaccines, whose RNA then leads us to produce a protein similar to part of the protein the disease carries, which then excites our immune system against the disease it thinks has appeared. This, rather than the usual sort of vaccine which introduces a little bit of the disease itself, to produce a similar immune response. Our own DNA is, we are told, not involved, and the RNA, its job done, leaves soon after. Is that not the basic, if simplistic, idea?
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In the case of the mRNA vaccines, the mRNA is genetically modified to produce a spike protein that mimics the spike protein in the wild virus, but is supposedly safer for technical reasons. Both proteins are cytotoxic, it's not clear that the vaccine spike is any more or less cytotoxic than the virus spike because of the GM, but you may get a bigger dose of it by the vaccine, as opposed to from the virus, especially with Moderna which has the highest dose of mRNA. RNA by nature is short lived in the body, but the spike has been found to migrate around the body and wind up in vital organs, especially the liver, bone marrow, and ovaries in females. It's unclear how long the protein lasts in the body.

Are the anti vaxxers somehow trying to say that if I eat a GMO tomato, it will change my DNA?
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No, but since the "vaccine" spike is GM, there is no easy way of knowing if it is more or less toxic than the wild virus spike or if it is toxic in different ways, or long term toxic, etc...
 
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michaelsuede said:
While COVID could cause the same injuries - what has not been studied at all is if early treatment with ivermectin can stop COVID myocarditis from forming while simultaneously giving the benefits of broad immunity through natural infection. Oh, and risk of COVID myocarditis in boys is much much lower than the vaccine.
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Early treatment is key, as opposed to waiting until you're sick, and then going to the hospital for Remdesivir and to be put on a ventillator. Which is why it is a crime that early treatment has been completely panned, and working protocols with effective drugs and treatments been discredited in order to hard sell the experimental gene therapies.
 
Tippit said:
Early treatment is key, as opposed to waiting until you're sick, and then going to the hospital for Remdesivir and to be put on a ventillator. Which is why it is a crime that early treatment has been completely panned, and working protocols with effective drugs and treatments been discredited in order to hard sell the experimental gene therapies.
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Really are you saying we should MANDATE early treatments?
 
Resume said:
Yes, now how have you controlled for confounding variables; please demonstrate a causal connection between the shots and the deaths.
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57,255,244 die each year - on average - that is 162-166,300 each day.

I am pretty sure if you cherry pick the data you can find enough athletes in an amount equally to nearly 60 million people.
 
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michaelsuede said:
As you point out, we know sudden cardiac death can occur in athletes. So the question becomes, has baseline levels of sudden cardiac death increased among young athletes. In November, Israel reported a 5-fold increase of such deaths.

The myocarditis from vaccine hasn't been proven to cause permanent heart damage.... yet. I heard one nurse saying she saw scaring on 1/3rd of young boys in their MRI imaging who were treated for vaccine induced myocarditis. So we'll see how that plays out. Scarring is permanent and this vaccine damage has only just begun to be investigated.

While COVID could cause the same injuries - what has not been studied at all is if early treatment with ivermectin can stop COVID myocarditis from forming while simultaneously giving the benefits of broad immunity through natural infection. Oh, and risk of COVID myocarditis in boys is much much lower than the vaccine.
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Reference 1) Increase in sudden cardiac deaths in 2021. There is no evidence that any of these people were vaccinated. If only they had been vaccinated they would still have been alive?

Reference 2) This says nothing about the risk of covid myocarditis. Do you read the references you give?

Is there any evidence about ivermectin and covid myocarditis. I could equally say if only they purged with fig extract they would not have got myocarditis!
 
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