Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Stee]

To me, your comment suggests you might rely on Wikipedia, media fact check dotcom, and FB fact checkers with pimples and purple hair (FB already admitted (when sued) that their fact checkers deal in opinions rather than actual facts).

Your dismissing Rumble reeks of messenger shooting, plain/simple.


PS
For the younger set ie those of you who are around twelve, this thread provides opportunity to learn you are being misled by actors you've been conditioned to trust.

To you Bubba it seems a huge array of things are suggested by three words. Of course what I said suggests nothing of the sort.

I am curious though, what is it that you think this video proves with regards to covid 19 and your conspiracy theories?

 

[angrysoba]

The evil drug that turns people into White Supreme Pizzas has been found to be a highly effective anti-viral agent against SARS-CoV-2; at least so sayeth this press release by Kowa Co. Ltd. Kowa is a Japan based conglomerate that just helped conduct a clinical trial on it. At this point all we have is a press release.

https://www.kowa.co.jp/news/2022/press220131.pdf



But it matches up nicely with the other 32 randomized control trials that say the same thing.

The press release has no figures for clinical trials. It only suggests that it works in non-clinical trials against Omicron as well as other variants. Doesn’t this mean they are talking about in vitro tests?

Do you have anything a bit more compelling?

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Anonymous, non-peer reviwed source with numerous published criticisms of its use of "data".

 

[michaelsuede]

The press release has no figures for clinical trials. It only suggests that it works in non-clinical trials against Omicron as well as other variants. Doesn’t this mean they are talking about in vitro tests?

Do you have anything a bit more compelling?

In terms of this clinical trial, no. In terms of more compelling evidence in general, I'm curious at what point you would be satisfied. There are presently 77 studies on Ivermectin's efficacy against COVID. 67 of those studies report positive effects. The studies encompass 85,695 patients, written by 728 individual authors, showing 83%, 64%, and 39% efficacy for prophylaxis, early treatment and late treatment respectively. Now we know another major clinical trail conducted by a highly reputable company is going to come out having the same conclusions.

 

[junkshop]

So the CEO of Bayer, talking to his fellow elitists, frolocking about how the Corona thing made the masses accept gene therapy they otherwise would have rejected, intended to frighten me with his talk? That's delusional, arthwollipot.

Doing the what now?

 

[angrysoba]

Anonymous, non-peer reviwed source with numerous published criticisms of its use of "data".

Yeah, ivnmeta is a BS source and its proponents always trumpet the figures as if it were an actual meta-analysis.

Ivermectin might have some benefit as presumably there would not be reputable organizations looking into it otherwise, but it is highly unlikely it is some miracle cure or miracle prophylactic that the evangelists claim.

 

[Tippit]

In terms of this clinical trial, no. In terms of more compelling evidence in general, I'm curious at what point you would be satisfied. There are presently 77 studies on Ivermectin's efficacy against COVID. 67 of those studies report positive effects. The studies encompass 85,695 patients, written by 728 individual authors, showing 83%, 64%, and 39% efficacy for prophylaxis, early treatment and late treatment respectively. Now we know another major clinical trail conducted by a highly reputable company is going to come out having the same conclusions.

If you rolled out Fauci, Gates, Wallensky, and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on the same stage and they spoonfed the psuedo-skeptics the studies you referenced, they *might* be satisfied.

More likely, they would throw them all under the bus, and start over.

 

[angrysoba]

If you rolled out Fauci, Gates, Wallensky, and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on the same stage and they spoonfed the psuedo-skeptics the studies you referenced, they *might* be satisfied.

More likely, they would throw them all under the bus, and start over.

Do you have the slightest clue about some of the issues with some issues of the papers on ivnmeta?

 

[Bubba]

Good. So you won't be quoting from Fox News now either, then.

There you go again with that lame black and white 'gotcha' nonsense.

Its dumb. If that is how you navigate, happy trails to you.

Now, how about this one?


Furthermore, as part of your drive for intellectual sophistication, perhaps you could show examples of stories criticising pharmaceutical companies that have been delayed or suppressed by 'mainstream' media sources?

Sure. Later.

 

[Resume]

<disinformationsnip>

There, better.

 

[Bubba]

How can bubba do that? They have been suppressed so neither he, nor anyone else, has never seen them! He knows that they exist nonetheless.

No silly, actual journalists still cover stuff your sources still hide from you.

 

[michaelsuede]

Do you have the slightest clue about some of the issues with some issues of the papers on ivnmeta?

There's always some issue. No study is ever perfect. That's why meta-analysis are such a good method of analyzing data.

You didn't answer the question. At what point would you be convinced?

 

[Resume]

Sure. Later.

Now, is that like The Coming Storm later, or the (snicker) Time Will Tell later, or Unleashing The Kraken later?

I'm betting on your CV: paranoid CT-er disinformation.

 

[Resume]

No silly, actual journalists still cover stuff your sources still hide from you.

Now, are those the "journalists" that gulled you about all your fails from Q to COVID disinformation?

 

[Paul2]

Wow, you found a way to slither out of that one !

Thanks to Paul 2, the world can breathe a sigh of relief around pharma guys sitting on MSM Boards.....nothing to see here...move along....get your booster

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Nothing along the lines of logic to rebut my point? Just rhetoric?

BTW, there *is* a rebuttal to my point, at least one I can imagine (and it has a rebuttal, too), so I encourage you, Bubba, to think logically and see if you can develop an actual rebuttal.

 

[angrysoba]

There's always some issue. No study is ever perfect. That's why meta-analysis are such a good method of analyzing data.

Outright fraud is not just “some issue”; copying and pasting the sake data over and over again is not “some issue”; conducting a study where the hospital in question says it never took place is not “some issue”. If you have those types of problems and they massively tip the results in your meta-analysis then you can’t just handwave it away as you are doing.

If studies by reputable organizations rather than evangelists show a benefit then I will be persuaded. If you had shown me some actual figures from the Kowa trial and these were independently verified, then I would be convinced. The same goes for the Oxford trials.

Now, the same question goes to you. At what point would you say that ivermectin is being overplayed? At what point would you doubt it has any effect at all?

 

[marting]

The evil drug that turns people into White Supreme Pizzas has been found to be a highly effective anti-viral agent against SARS-CoV-2; at least so sayeth this press release by Kowa Co. Ltd. Kowa is a Japan based conglomerate that just helped conduct a clinical trial on it. At this point all we have is a press release.

https://www.kowa.co.jp/news/2022/press220131.pdf

It does look like they are doing a good quality, prospective DBRCT study with results expected in March.

Brief Summary:
The efficacy and safety of K-237 0.3-0.4 mg/kg orally administered once daily for 3 days will be evaluated in patients with mild COVID-19 using a randomized, double-blind, parallel-group comparative method with placebo as a control. Efficacy will be assessed using a stratified log-rank test to determine the superiority of the drug over placebo in terms of time to improvement in clinical symptoms from the start of study drug administration to 168 hours.

Masking: Quadruple (Participant, Care Provider, Investigator, Outcomes Assessor)

Registered here:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05056883

These sorts of studies aren't cheap. Blinding all the people involved is non-trivial but pharma companies such as this have developed processes to do this for all their new drugs. These sorts of efforts at getting objective results are typical of pharma but it's rare they spend anything significant on out of patent drugs. In this case, it looks like it was the result of a direct appeal by the inventor of Ivermectin so might have some PR value regardless of how the results turn out.

 

[Paul2]

What's required for me to believe otherwise is evidence.

Here's the evidence:

• 22,193 deaths are reported in relation to the Covid vaccine at VAERS.
• Not all of them can be caused by something other than the vaccine.
• One can suggest that a lot of them are caused by the vaccine.
• Therefore, a lot of them are caused by the vaccine.

I hope that clears it up.

/s

 

[eerok]

No silly, actual journalists still cover stuff your sources still hide from you.

That's just what your journalists propagandists tell you, and then you rebleat their nonsense.

 

[Steve]

No silly, actual journalists still cover stuff your sources still hide from you.

So not suppressed then. Thanks for the admission.