DIY experiment proving graviton is a particle

[philippeb8]

Words - many.
Tangible results = none.

I'm not sure what your logic is but real science is about trial and errors. It's not about bragging to understand SuperString Theory, that can't predict anything BTW, or the paradoxes in GR. You should be contributing to my efforts instead.

Therefore I must conclude you are a fake scientist.

 

[Steve]

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So I win twice here!

I'm not sure what your logic is but real science is about trial and errors. It's not about bragging to understand SuperString Theory, that can't predict anything BTW, or the paradoxes in GR. You should be contributing to my efforts instead.

Therefore I must conclude you are a fake scientist.

More words. No tangible results.

Were your claimed two wins a trial or an error?

I have not claimed to be any kind of scientist at all, so you have no business referring to me as one. And there is no evidence that you are one either.

 

[sarge]

I did put the cart ahead of the horses this time but usually I don't. Although the issue is just a 1-2 order of magnitude, I'm sure this can be easily tested with advanced scientific equipment.


If I pay for why not?

You have no ‘theory’ as mainstream science understands the term. You don’t even have an experiment at this point. You are asking a body of scientists to suspend their professions basic tenants while using perhaps the most sought after testing platform to ever exist to test a very poorly defined notion that all of established, accepted science says is non-sense.

I do not believe there is enough money in the world to get such an ‘experiment’ on the ISS*.

*itself the most expensive thing ever built

 

[Andy_Ross]

Plus, if the ISS is part of the 'conspiracy' why do you think they would put your experiment on it even if you had the money?

 

[philippeb8]

More words. No tangible results.

Were your claimed two wins a trial or an error?

I have not claimed to be any kind of scientist at all, so you have no business referring to me as one. And there is no evidence that you are one either.

I know very well arrogance is scientists' weakness so I am doing reverse psychology to get answers more rapidly.

So I apologize if I referred to you as a scientist and you don't consider yourself one.

On my end, mathematics and computer science truly are subbranches of science and probably more difficult to achieve than theoretical astrophysics.

 

[philippeb8]

You have no ‘theory’ as mainstream science understands the term. You don’t even have an experiment at this point. You are asking a body of scientists to suspend their professions basic tenants while using perhaps the most sought after testing platform to ever exist to test a very poorly defined notion that all of established, accepted science says is non-sense.

BTW Finite Theory shouldn't called a theory but a law because I don't invent anything other than the comoving superimposed gravitational frameworks and a slight correction to the kinetic time dilation.

I do not believe there is enough money in the world to get such an ‘experiment’ on the ISS*.

*itself the most expensive thing ever built

Well yes, they ask for $500k to get it done.

Here's my crowdfunding campaign:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-make-science-fiction-a-reality

 

[jadebox]

philippeb8 - Can I ask a couple of basic questions?

1) If you place your iPhone flat on a desk, what acceleration do you expect it to report?

2) If you reorient the iPhone so that "its accelerometer points toward the sun" (during the day) what do you expect it to report?

 

[philippeb8]

philippeb8 - Can I ask a couple of basic questions?

1) If you place your iPhone flat on a desk, what acceleration do you expect it to report?

I already did that yesterday and I get orders of magnitude down to -6:
https://www.fornux.com/files/data/Ground_Noise-8_30am.csv
https://www.fornux.com/files/data/Ground_Noise-8_30pm.csv

2) If you reorient the iPhone so that "its accelerometer points toward the sun" (during the day) what do you expect it to report?

I actually did that as well yesterday and I got an order of magnitude down to -5:
https://www.fornux.com/files/data/Sky_Noise-4_20pm.csv

I do that in my apartment but the interference of other levels is minimal.

 

[philippeb8]

philippeb8 - Can I ask a couple of basic questions?

1) If you place your iPhone flat on a desk, what acceleration do you expect it to report?

2) If you reorient the iPhone so that "its accelerometer points toward the sun" (during the day) what do you expect it to report?

But if you flip the gravimeter, all you're doing is negating the sign of the measurement.

 

[jadebox]

I already did that yesterday and I get orders of magnitude down to -6:
https://www.fornux.com/files/data/Ground_Noise-8_30am.csv
https://www.fornux.com/files/data/Ground_Noise-8_30pm.csv



I actually did that as well yesterday and I got an order of magnitude down to -5:
https://www.fornux.com/files/data/Sky_Noise-4_20pm.csv

I do that in my apartment but the interference of other levels is minimal.

You didn't answer my questions. What values for acceleration did you get?

 

[jadebox]

But if you flip the gravimeter, all you're doing is negating the sign of the measurement.

Hmm ... maybe you understand why I asked the two questions.

 

[philippeb8]

You didn't answer my questions. What values for acceleration did you get?

All the values are listed in the spreadsheets. The actual standard deviation is the last Z cells which are:
Ground at 8:30 am: 3.7e-6 g
Ground at 8:30 pm: 3.2e-6 g
Sky at 4:20 pm: 8.5e-6 g

 

[tusenfem]

Please explain the standard deviation and its definition and calculation.
Is that value always positive?
Are the variations on the "standard g (~9.8)" that you measure always positive (or can they also be negative)?
Just something to thinks about.

 

[philippeb8]

Please explain the standard deviation and its definition and calculation.

The standard deviation is the amount of variation of the values:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

Maybe its usage fitted better the GEM experiment because of the shift I was pointing out but for the graviton attenuation experiment I could have used a simple average. But what matters really is the order of magnitude anyways which are the same.

Is that value always positive?

Yes.

Are the variations on the "standard g (~9.8)" that you measure always positive (or can they also be negative)?

No it depends on the orientation of the gravimeter.

 

[sarge]

BTW Finite Theory shouldn't called a theory but a law because I don't invent anything other than the comoving superimposed gravitational frameworks and a slight correction to the kinetic time dilation.

Word salad, certainly proof of nothing.

Well yes, they ask for $500k to get it done.

Here's my crowdfunding campaign:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-us-make-science-fiction-a-reality

Having a crowdfunding page ( it appears that you’ve raised $300 in 6 mos) does not mean that NASA, or the ESA, or Russia, Canada, or Japan are going to haul your equipment to space and devote time to conducting your ‘experiment’.

In this thread you have talked of proving mainstream physics wrong by pointing your iPhone at the sun.

 

[Steve]

Word salad, certainly proof of nothing.



Having a crowdfunding page ( it appears that you’ve raised $300 in 6 mos) does not mean that NASA, or the ESA, or Russia, Canada, or Japan are going to haul your equipment to space and devote time to conducting your ‘experiment’.

In this thread you have talked of proving mainstream physics wrong by pointing your iPhone at the sun.

Well that DIY method didn't work so now he has to look for more complicated, and costly, methods. Preferably done by other people. The premise of the OP is a complete failure.

 

[philippeb8]

Having a crowdfunding page ( it appears that you’ve raised $300 in 6 mos) does not mean that NASA, or the ESA, or Russia, Canada, or Japan are going to haul your equipment to space and devote time to conducting your ‘experiment’.

Crowdfunding these days helps useless causes as you can see but it doesn't matter because I already am in touch with interested investors and agencies.

In this thread you have talked of proving mainstream physics wrong by pointing your iPhone at the sun.

Actually I clearly see you will not be part of the solution so I add the fact you are just a troll.

 

[philippeb8]

Well that DIY method didn't work so now he has to look for more complicated, and costly, methods. Preferably done by other people.

Certainly not done by you.

The premise of the OP is a complete failure.

It was a failure to talk to you, yes. But you do not represent science or even fake science anyways.

 

[Steve]

Certainly not done by you.



It was a failure to talk to you, yes. But you do not represent science or even fake science anyways.

I understood from your OP use of DIY that you were planning on Doing It Yourself. Do you have some other odd idea of DYI that involves participation by others? Why are you expecting me to do something that you were planning on doing yourself?

For the record I have no intention of participating in any way in an "experiment" that does not have a snowball's chance in Hades of producing anything other than comedy.

Anyway, did you overturn relativity at 8:30 PM eastern time yesterday as you suggested you would?

 

[philippeb8]

I understood from your OP use of DIY that you were planning on Doing It Yourself. Do you have some other odd idea of DYI that involves participation by others? Why are you expecting me to do something that you were planning on doing yourself?

For the record I have no intention of participating in any way in an "experiment" that does not have a snowball's chance in Hades of producing anything other than comedy.

Obviously you say that after the experiment is done.

Anyway, did you overturn relativity at 8:30 PM eastern time yesterday as you suggested you would?

No but it's like my first attempt with the GEM experiment that failed because I didn't have enough power. I came back with the required power and I proved my point. That's how you build credibility, something you'll never know.