DIY experiment proving graviton is a particle

[Andy_Ross]

Good idea, thanks. The gravitons should be zoomed in just like photons are so it should increase the precision of the experiment.

I'll do that next time I go to the beach in California... after that Covid bio-weapon dissolves.

Why not just wait until it gets dark where you live?

If the gravitons are absorbed by the moon they will be absorbed by the Earth which has a far greater mass. You should be able to measure a difference every night.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Well I need to aim in the right direction at least.

Why? if the sun is behind the Earth, what direction do you need?

 

[Andy_Ross]

I live on the 3rd floor of a condo complex. There is gravitational interference below me.

The ground noise is about 0.00001 g.

Go outside.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So if I see a shift then I will be grateful and give back to you theprestige and Captain_Swoop for your constructive comments after or meanwhile my 3 experiments all put the nail in the General Relativity coffin.

Just go and do it. Do it on several consecutive nights just to be sure.

 

[philippeb8]

Why? if the sun is behind the Earth, what direction do you need?

Good point.

All I have to do is to measure the g of the Earth during the night and day.

I can also measure the tidal forces of the Moon rise.

Anyway I'm at the lookout right now facing East so I'm getting prepared.

Even if it works or not, I'm trying more than all these world wide scientists for the last 100 years hoping to detect wormholes.

 

[philippeb8]

Yeah that's not gonna work because I get noise down to 0.001 g just by facing East.

This experiment was not conclusive because of the average noise.

I'll focus on the Moon tide next time.

 

[Dave Rogers]

I rather think this is one of those 'If this was true then GPS wouldn't work' issues. If graviton flux were shielded by occlusion by a large mass and the effect were big enough to measure with a smartphone, then it would be pretty fricken' obvious because the trajectories of everything in Earth orbit would be wrong.

Dave

 

[hecd2]

Yeah that's not gonna work because I get noise down to 0.001 g just by facing East.
This experiment was not conclusive because of the average noise.

I'll focus on the Moon tide next time.

Moon tidal force is 1.1e-7 g and your noise is 1e-3 g. That's going to go well

 

[philippeb8]

Why not just wait until it gets dark where you live?

If the gravitons are absorbed by the moon they will be absorbed by the Earth which has a far greater mass. You should be able to measure a difference every night.

I just measured the ground noise right now for 172 seconds at 8:30 am EST and I get a standard deviation of: 3.8e-6 g.

I'm pretty sure I had an order of magnitude greater yesterday night. But let's confirm tonight and I'll do the thinking after.

 

[philippeb8]

Moon tidal force is 1.1e-7 g and your noise is 1e-3 g. That's going to go well

That noise was when facing the horizon but the order of magnitude of the ground noise in the morning is -6.

 

[philippeb8]

I live on the 3rd floor of a condo complex. There is gravitational interference below me.

The ground noise is about 0.00001 g.

Yeah like I noticed quickly yesterday: -5.

 

[philippeb8]

I just measured the ground noise right now for 172 seconds at 8:30 am EST and I get a standard deviation of: 3.8e-6 g.

I'm pretty sure I had an order of magnitude greater yesterday night. But let's confirm tonight and I'll do the thinking after.

Ok so here's the deal:

1) The Sun's tidal ratio on Earth is: 1.00017
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tide.html

2) I will measure the standard deviation of the gravitational pull tonight at exactly 8:30 pm EST;

3) If I don't get exactly 3.8e-6 g / 1.00017 = 3.799354109801333e-6 g then you are all wrong.

 

[wollery]

Ok so here's the deal:

1) The Sun's tidal ratio on Earth is: 1.00017
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tide.html

2) I will measure the standard deviation of the gravitational pull tonight at exactly 8:30 pm EST;

3) If I don't get exactly 3.8e-6 g / 1.00017 = 3.799354109801333e-6 g then you are all wrong.

Or your instrument is nowhere near as accurate or reliable as you think it is.

Or there are other factors you aren't taking into account.

Or......

 

[philippeb8]

Or your instrument is nowhere near as accurate or reliable as you think it is.

Or there are other factors you aren't taking into account.

Or......

- I already tested possible EM interference and the gravimeter is not affected;

- I will do the experiment multiple times and compile the statistics on a 12 hours cycle;

- If the exact prediction don't match then the scientific community owes me what's worth of the Nobel or Breakthrough Prize or compensate for the 3rd experiment: the ISS wavelength meter of $500k.

 

[hecd2]

- I already tested possible EM interference and the gravimeter is not affected;

- I will do the experiment multiple times and compile the statistics on a 12 hours cycle;

- If the exact prediction don't match then the scientific community owes me what's worth of the Nobel or Breakthrough Prize or compensate for the 3rd experiment: the ISS wavelength meter of $500k.

I think you're make a massive mistake.

 

[theprestige]

112 posts and no one has bothered to google the idea. If they had they would have found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton


Or maybe this
https://www.quantamagazine.org/gravitons-revealed-in-the-noise-of-gravitational-waves-20200723/

Nobody bothered to google the idea because it's Philippe is obviously "not even wrong". We can address his idea easily enough without having to look up what gravitons might or might not actually be.

 

[philippeb8]

The WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center might or might not assist you with that.

Thanks a lot, I'll try to contact them.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

*cough* Just because you haven't detected them doesn't mean people who have googled the idea don't exist.

Uh, yeah. There is only a small minority of people in the thread that would seem to need to do that google. Others either did, or knew all they needed to without it.

 

[jadebox]

I rather think this is one of those 'If this was true then GPS wouldn't work' issues. If graviton flux were shielded by occlusion by a large mass and the effect were big enough to measure with a smartphone, then it would be pretty fricken' obvious because the trajectories of everything in Earth orbit would be wrong.

Don't you know that you're supposed to use a SPOILER tag? You've ruined the ending for everyone!



I'm still trying to understand how he expects to, using an analogy, measure the windspeed relative to the ground from a balloon floating in the air just by sticking his hand into the air.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

That noise was when facing the horizon but the order of magnitude of the ground noise in the morning is -6.

Wait, you get different readings facing something other than the horizon?