Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Steve]

There are also a lot of experts, and societies of experts, who are just liars and fraudsters, which is why I’m short expert credibility.


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Well we have a couple of obvious liars and fraudsters in this very thread, that's for sure. Although I have to concede that they have made no claims, that I am aware of, of being any sort of expert.

 

[Foster Zygote]

There are also a lot of experts, and societies of experts, who are just liars and fraudsters, which is why I’m short expert credibility.

But for you to be right, the vast majority of the world's medical science community has to be liars and fraudsters.

 

[Steve]

But for you to be right, the vast majority of the world's medical science community has to be liars and fraudsters.

I think we determined long ago that that is Tippit's actual opinion. And further, that opinion is not restricted to medical science but to all experts in all fields. Nothing really worthwhile in Tippit's world was ever discovered by experts. In fact, the vast majority of the world's population is out to "get" Tippit. But Tippit is way too savvy to be fooled.

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[Foster Zygote]

Well we have a couple of obvious liars and fraudsters in this very thread, that's for sure. Although I have to concede that they have made no claims, that I am aware of, of being any sort of expert.

Childlike Empress came very close.

"Some people, like myself, actually worked in Science™ and know how that works in the 21st century."

So far, all queries as to the nature of this science work have, unsurprisingly, been ignored.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I think we determined long ago that that is Tippit's actual opinion. And further, that opinion is not restricted to medical science but to all experts in all fields. Nothing really worthwhile in Tippit's world was ever discovered by experts. In fact, the vast majority of the world's population is out to "get" Tippit. But Tippit is way too savvy to be fooled.

That reminds me of another King Of The Hill quote for the favorite quotes thread.

Peggy: Now Hank, remember what I told the doctor.

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[bruto]

Large RCT says masks don't work:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7707213/

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Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from infected mask wearers (source control), or both.

Conclusion:

The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

That's a pretty odd way of saying "don't work."

 

[Resume]

nvm

 

[Tippit]

But for you to be right, the vast majority of the world's medical science community has to be liars and fraudsters.

That's obviously false, because that assumes that all of the science surrounding Covid, and the experimental gene therapies is settled, which it isn't, no matter how much you would love to believe that it is. The vast majority of the world's medical science community aren't expert immunologists, from doctors, to pharmaceutical techs who administer the "vaccines".

You, like most pseudo-skeptics, just suffer from massive egos and the hubris that thinks that not only do you represent "science", but that you know everything about everything.

 

[Resume]

That's obviously false

Yes, the below most certainly is.

. . . the experimental gene therapies .

A disinformationist lie which you repeat ad nauseam to the detriment of your credibility.

Keep it up.

 

[Resume]

Well we have a couple of obvious liars and fraudsters in this very thread, that's for sure. Although I have to concede that they have made no claims, that I am aware of, of being any sort of expert.

Well, there is a self-described genius, and a person who claims to work in science and is the smartest person we'll likely ever encounter.

 

[Foster Zygote]

That's obviously false, because that assumes that all of the science surrounding Covid, and the experimental gene therapies is settled, which it isn't, no matter how much you would love to believe that it is. The vast majority of the world's medical science community aren't expert immunologists, from doctors, to pharmaceutical techs who administer the "vaccines".

"Teach the controversy!" A play right out of the young earth creationist playbook. The vast majority of people in the world aren't evolutionary biologists. Yet that doesn't make the ones who are any less right.

There is an overwhelming consensus among the scientists who are expert immunologists. No matter how many technical terms you Google to pepper your posts, you can't obscure the fact that you are no more qualified to contradict them regarding vaccines than you are qualified to contradict a physicist regarding the rest mass of a boson.

You, like most pseudo-skeptics, just suffer from massive egos and the hubris that thinks that not only do you represent "science", but that you know everything about everything.

The psychological projection is deafening. I'm not the one trying to convince everyone that I know more than the experts in an entire field of science.

 

[Resume]

I am a rocket scientist. Education helps, but a lot of otherwise intelligent people think they are experts outside their domain, and confidently apply zeroeth-order concepts of how things work in other areas without understanding how things actually work.

Of course, so do a lot of garden-variety idiots.

It seems that some here reject anything that is counter to what they believe to be "common sense," ignoring the fact that much of science and physics is counter-intuitive. It's much easier to be a pretend epidimiologist or biologist based on disinformation from manipulative propaganda sites, than to put in any work at all. These people may read that masks don't work on their cousin Lureen's facebook page, but she didn't actually read the links, and neither did they.

 

[eerok]

The vast majority of the world's medical science community aren't expert immunologists, from doctors, to pharmaceutical techs who administer the "vaccines".

Those who inform global policy regarding covid-19 are in fact experts, and they don't agree with your BS.

You, like most pseudo-skeptics, just suffer from massive egos and the hubris that thinks that not only do you represent "science", but that you know everything about everything.

That's hilarious.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It seems that some here reject anything that is counter to what they believe to be "common sense," ignoring the fact that much of science and physics is counter-intuitive. It's much easier to be a pretend epidimiologist or biologist based on disinformation from manipulative propaganda sites, than to put in any work at all. These people may read that masks don't work on their cousin Lureen's facebook page, but she didn't actually read the links, and neither did they.

Some (many?) people recoil at the idea of admitting that there are subjects outside their knowledge.

 

[Steve]

Well, there is a self-described genius, and a person who claims to work in science and is the smartest person we'll likely ever encounter.

True. But neither claim any (nor show any) particular expertise. Just a rather non specific and useless "look at me" sort of aimless brain works.

 

[Tippit]

There is an overwhelming consensus among the scientists who are expert immunologists. No matter how many technical terms you Google to pepper your posts, you can't obscure the fact that you are no more qualified to contradict them regarding vaccines than you are qualified to contradict a physicist regarding the rest mass of a boson.

No there isn't, and even if there were, their lies and conflicts of interest render them incredible. Some of us aren't buying what they're attempting to not only sell, but force using government mandates.

The psychological projection is deafening. I'm not the one trying to convince everyone that I know more than the experts in an entire field of science.

It's not a question of me not knowing as much as them, it's a question of them lacking credibility. The lies aren't being believed anymore, and the conflicts of interest and corruption is evident. "Rule by pseudo-science" isn't going to happen.

 

[Resume]

It's not a question of me not knowing as much as them, it's a question of them lacking credibility.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

The lies aren't being believed anymore.

Sort of; lie that the vaccines are EGT are only believed by the credulous.

"Rule by pseudo-science" isn't going to happen.

You should stop promoting it, then.

 

[Tippit]

No it doesn't. Try reading your sources.

Just kidding. You won't do that.

Uh, I read it. It backs up exactly what he said. Here is an excerpt:

Intervention:
Encouragement to follow social distancing measures for coronavirus disease 2019, plus either no mask recommendation or a recommendation to wear a mask when outside the home among other persons together with a supply of 50 surgical masks and instructions for proper use.

By 50 "surgical masks", lets be charitable and assume they were referring to ASTM level 1, the least effective surgical masks typically worn in that context.

Conclusion:
The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.

So, being charitable and presuming the study was done with only ASTM level 1 surgical masks, they were shown to be ineffective.

The ASTM level 1 spec claims to filter particles at .1 micron with >= 95% efficiency.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus is about .1 micron, so if the worst surgical mask doesn't stop it reliably, then using logical inference, what chance do you think cloth face diapers have at stopping infection? Even ASTM level 3 masks only give you about another 4% efficiency.

The only "masks" that work effectively at lowering your chance of SARS-Cov-2 infection are N95 respirators and above, and those cannot be worn over long periods of time without medical consequences like hypercarbia, and so aren't really suitable for the public anyway.

The face diapers that you pseudo-skeptics so maniacally wear are just virtue-signaling devices used to soothe other Covidiots, and demonstrate your compliance to "authorities", and that, is backed up by actual science.

 

[michaelsuede]

That's a pretty odd way of saying "don't work."

The first quote is a reason they are investigating, not a statement of fact. Here's a clearer statement of what they concluded.

Our results suggest that the recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, the incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in mask wearers in a setting where social distancing and other public health measures were in effect, mask recommendations were not among those measures, and community use of masks was uncommon.

That's called a fancy way of say'n - THEY DON'T WORK

 

[bruto]

The first quote is a reason they are investigating, not a statement of fact. Here's a clearer statement of what they concluded.



That's called a fancy way of say'n - THEY DON'T WORK

Especially if you omit the part that soon follows.....

The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection. During the study period, authorities did not recommend face mask use outside hospital settings and mask use was rare in community settings (22). This means that study participants' exposure was overwhelmingly to persons not wearing masks.