Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[catsmate]

That's correct.

He went off the deep-end [/QUOTE]
True

and treated patients with the off-label use of a drug because he found it reduced the mortality of his patients by 50%.

Except it doesn't. Invermectin has little to any effect on Covid-19.

Oh, and that "rejected" paper was ultimately published.

And retracted....

There was no malfeasance on Marik's part.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

But reporting deaths is compulsory. All deaths are reported whether from a vaccine adverse event or from flu or from heart attacks. The cause of death is also reported. So the number of deaths from vaccine adverse reaction is known. Personally I have seen lots of people die from covid-19 (nearly all unvaccinated), but none from vaccines.

Plus there's VAERS, which is voluntary.
So, either we've got a conspiracy to conceal or misattribute deaths from vaccinations, conducted by doctors and nurses, pathologists and coroners, the medical scientists who tested the vaccines, the medical organisations which monitor all this, plus the families of those who have suffered these losses, and everyone else who knows them....
Or, the reported deaths from vaccinations are broadly accurate, and vaccinations are much safer than the diseases they prevent.
The choice of which to believe is indicative of the problems besetting the modern world: actual evidence versus fevered speculation, sanity versus paranoia, reality versus fantasy.
Strange times we live in....

 

[Steve]

Thanks for sharing. The point is no one knows of the non reported incidents.


I was hoping you'd notice that there is no way to know how many deaths the injections have caused.

There are no unreported incidents of deaths due directly to COVID vaccines. If you claim otherwise your reliable evidence will surely be forthcoming.

 

[Steve]

Plus there's VAERS, which is voluntary.
So, either we've got a conspiracy to conceal or misattribute deaths from vaccinations, conducted by doctors and nurses, pathologists and coroners, the medical scientists who tested the vaccines, the medical organisations which monitor all this, plus the families of those who have suffered these losses, and everyone else who knows them....
Or, the reported deaths from vaccinations are broadly accurate, and vaccinations are much safer than the diseases they prevent.
The choice of which to believe is indicative of the problems besetting the modern world: actual evidence versus fevered speculation, sanity versus paranoia, reality versus fantasy.
Strange times we live in....

You nailed Bubba's "thinking". Every medical professional in the world is determined to kill large swaths of people. Only he and a special few morons know this. The defining proof is that there is no evidence for his claims so they must be true.

 

[GraculusTheGreenBird]

Thanks for sharing. The point is no one knows of the non reported incidents.


I was hoping you'd notice that there is no way to know how many deaths the injections have caused.

I think its lions.

The point is no one knows of the non-reported incidences of deaths from lions.

I was hoping you'd notice that there is no way to know how many deaths the lions have caused.

There must be 10s of thousands of them. The point is, no one is reporting them, so we just don't know.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Thanks for sharing. The point is no one knows of the non reported incidents.


I was hoping you'd notice that there is no way to know how many deaths the injections have caused.

How many juicy, adremochrome-rich babies has Bubba ordered from Wayfair?

There's just no way of knowing.

 

[Steve]

If millions of deaths from COVID are reported there is a conspiracy to lie because COVID does not exist.

If few deaths are reported from COVID vaccines there is a conspiracy to lie because vaccine related deaths are way way higher than reported.

This passes for logic in the "brains" of some people.

 

[Foster Zygote]

If millions of deaths from COVID are reported there is a conspiracy to lie because COVID does not exist.

If few deaths are reported from COVID vaccines there is a conspiracy to lie because vaccine related deaths are way way higher than reported.

This passes for logic in the "brains" of some people.

It's a requirement that a component of every conspiracy theory be "our evidence is that there is no evidence".

 

[eerok]

How many were killed by the injections, which were not reported ?

I keep seeing reports of anti-vaxxers pleading for the vaccine as they die from covid-19 in hospitals. How many of those have there been?

Your ridiculous BS is killing people who are stupid enough to believe it.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

That's correct. He went off the deep-end and treated patients with the off-label use of a drug because he found it reduced the mortality of his patients by 50%.

That's not allowed.

Please state, without recourse to baseless conspiracy theory paranoia, the reason why curing patients is 'not allowed' by any hospital or medical authority.

Oh, and that "rejected" paper was ultimately published. There was no malfeasance on Marik's part.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8415512/

That link is to a letter to the Editor, complaining about the paper being retracted.
If you have a link to the paper passing peer review, do please post it.

The story about the JICM paper is equally ridiculous. The data on deaths was accurate when submitted, but the HOSPITAL asked the JCIM to make the paper recalculate the mortality in one section of the paper, after it had already been published, using long term follow-up data, which raised the mortality from 0 to 10%. Utterly absurd and unheard of for something like this to happen. The JICM refused to accept the author's data correction, and instead yanked the entire paper.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1458892074510651405.html

This link is to Kory's personal blog. If you have a link to actual peer-reviewed research, please post it.

 

[Steve]

I keep seeing reports of anti-vaxxers pleading for the vaccine as they die from covid-19 in hospitals. How many of those have there been?

Your ridiculous BS is killing people who are stupid enough to believe it.

Yep. They are even stupid when they are dying, thinking the vaccine is a quick miracle cure.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I have a pretty jaundiced view of professions self-regulating, and there are plenty of quack doctors out there running around that ought to have had their licenses revoked, but it's nice to hear stories of self-regulation working as intended.

This guy getting fired from the hospital so he can no longer endanger the patients there is a success story. It would be better if his license got yanked, but you gotta celebrate the wins when you get them.

 

[michaelsuede]

I have a pretty jaundiced view of professions self-regulating, and there are plenty of quack doctors out there running around that ought to have had their licenses revoked, but it's nice to hear stories of self-regulation working as intended.

This guy getting fired from the hospital so he can no longer endanger the patients there is a success story. It would be better if his license got yanked, but you gotta celebrate the wins when you get them.

So out of that story, you think he was endangering the safety of his patients with a drug that is safer than any over the counter NSAID, while his patients had half the mortality of his peers? The hospital literally ordered him to do nothing - he could not treat seven people who were dying in front of him. The hospital even forbad him from giving them vitamin C.

published paper
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/

retraction notice saying exactly the same thing Kory said in a lot more words. I misspoke when I said 0% to 10%, it's actually 6.1% increased to 10.5%, which is still much lower than the average.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0885066620973585

 

[Steve]

Doctor guilty of malpractice - gets fired.
Doctor submits fraudulent research paper - it is retracted.
Seems the checks and balances are working as designed.

Cheating, lying doctor plays the victim card. Surprise, surprise!

 

[Stee]

So you are asking that we account for incidents that were never reported?

Can you see a problem there?

In the Spectator comments section on covid related articles this argument is used frequently. It is the ones not reported we should worry about and the phrase ‘usually underreported x 10’ is used a lot too.

It’s hard to reason with these people.

 

[michaelsuede]

Doctor guilty of malpractice - gets fired.
Doctor submits fraudulent research paper - it is retracted.
Seems the checks and balances are working as designed.

Cheating, lying doctor plays the victim card. Surprise, surprise!

Sounds about right.

Malpractice these days is considered doing anything that costs the hospital money, like having half the mortality of your peers while treating with drugs that aren't reimbursed by the federal government.

"Fraudulent papers" these days are considered any paper that shows a benefit to a repurposed drug that interferes with the profitability of on-patent drugs and the hospital getting reimbursed substantially by the federal government for the administration of such drugs.

 

[carlitos]

Someone found a meme they like!

Everyone drink!

What I am starting to hate most about these grifters is how much they absolutely will not shut up about being silenced. They go on for 3 hours at a time on the most-listened-to podcast in the world and spend half the time telling us just how "censored" they are.

 

[Steve]

Sounds about right.

Malpractice these days is considered doing anything that costs the hospital money, like having half the mortality of your peers while treating with drugs that aren't reimbursed by the federal government.

"Fraudulent papers" these days are considered any paper that shows a benefit to a repurposed drug that interferes with the profitability of on-patent drugs and the hospital getting reimbursed substantially by the federal government for the administration of such drugs.

Your somewhat unique views are slightly amusing but definitely wrong and ill informed. And definitely in lock step with the approach of all conspiracy hypothesists.

 

[michaelsuede]

Your somewhat unique views are slightly amusing but definitely wrong and ill informed. And definitely in lock step with the approach of all conspiracy hypothesists.

How are they wrong again?

 

[Steve]

In the Spectator comments section on covid related articles this argument is used frequently. It is the ones not reported we should worry about and the phrase ‘usually underreported x 10’ is used a lot too.

It’s hard to reason with these people.

There is that CT "logic" again. "We know they are not reported so we have no idea how many, but it is definitely 10 times what is reported".