The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Crossbow said:
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If there is a mens rea requirement or probably isn't.
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If you can manage to obtain a moment of lucidity, then I would suggest that you correct this rather odd posting of yours.
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With Rudy being a lawyer (at least for now) it would be rather difficult for him to claim he didn't know what he, et al were doing was illegal.

Surprising fact I just discovered: Mark Meadowa only has an AA degree, not even a Bachelor's.
 
Stacyhs said:
With Rudy being a lawyer (at least for now) it would be rather difficult for him to claim he didn't know what he, et al were doing was illegal.
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Rudy could be a potted plant and have the same problem. It isn't like tax law where ignorance that fraud is illegal is an excuse.

Although a defense that all of this was a series of involuntary physical actions the result of a rare neurological syndrome that causes people to against their will coordinate multi-state fraudulent election schemes would be slightly more plausible than the election fraud lawsuits those guys filed.
 
ZiprHead said:
His wife is up to her neck in the January 6 investigation. He should be recusing himself.
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New Yorker: Is Ginni Thomas a Threat to the Supreme Court?
Behind closed doors, Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife is working with many groups directly involved in controversial cases before the Court.
Many Americans first became aware of Ginni Thomas’s activism on January 6, 2021. That morning, before the Stop the Steal rally in Washington, D.C., turned into an assault on the Capitol resulting in the deaths of at least five people, she cheered on the supporters of President Donald Trump who had gathered to overturn Biden’s election. In a Facebook post that went viral, she linked to a news item about the protest, writing, “love maga people!!!!” Shortly afterward, she posted about Ronald Reagan’s famous “A Time for Choosing” speech. Her next status update said, “god bless each of you standing up or praying.” Two days after the insurrection, she added a disclaimer to her feed, noting that she’d written the posts “before violence in US Capitol.” (The posts are no longer public.)

Later that January, the Washington Post revealed that she had also been agitating about Trump’s loss on a private Listserv, Thomas Clerk World, which includes former law clerks of Justice Thomas’s. The online discussion had been contentious. John Eastman, a former Thomas clerk and a key instigator of the lie that Trump actually won in 2020, was on the same side as Ginni Thomas, and he drew rebukes. According to the Post, Thomas eventually apologized to the group for causing internal rancor. Artemus Ward, a political scientist at Northern Illinois University and a co-author of “Sorcerers’ Apprentices,” a history of Supreme Court clerks, believes that the incident confirmed her outsized role. “Virginia Thomas has direct access to Thomas’s clerks,” Ward said. Clarence Thomas is now the Court’s senior member, having served for thirty years, and Ward estimates that there are “something like a hundred and twenty people on that Listserv.” In Ward’s view, they comprise “an élite right-wing commando movement.” Justice Thomas, he says, doesn’t post on the Listserv, but his wife “is advocating for things directly.” Ward added, “It’s unprecedented. I have never seen a Justice’s wife as involved.”
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It's a long article, I haven't read it all yet.
 
Suddenly said:
Rudy could be a potted plant and have the same problem. It isn't like tax law where ignorance that fraud is illegal is an excuse. .....
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I don't think that's true, either. The IRS doesn't go away if, say, you claim you didn't know you couldn't list the money you spend on crack as a deductible medical expense.
 
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Stacyhs said:
With Rudy being a lawyer (at least for now) it would be rather difficult for him to claim he didn't know what he, et al were doing was illegal.

Surprising fact I just discovered: Mark Meadowa only has an AA degree, not even a Bachelor's.
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There are no educational qualifications for elective office. What surprises me more is that some crazies, like Gohmert, Jordan and Gaetz, are actual lawyers.
 
Bob001 said:
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I don't think that's true, either. The IRS doesn't go away if, say, you claim you didn't know you couldn't list the money you spend on crack as a deductible medical expense.
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Actually, it gets pretty interesting. Tax Fraud requires Mens Rea (intention or knowledge of wrongdoing), so more than one Sovereign Citizen/FOTLer/Tax Protester has managed to escape criminal liability for tax evasion by convincing a judge or jury that they genuinely did not know that tax law applied to them.

They still owed the IRS the money though, even if found not guilty by reason of stupidity.
 
Bob001 said:
There are no educational qualifications for elective office. What surprises me more is that some crazies, like Gohmert, Jordan and Gaetz, are actual lawyers.
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I know there are no educational qualifications for elective office. But I was surprised to know that someone who reaches the office of Chief of Staff to the White House doesn't even have a Bachelor's degree.

Rep. Madison Cawthorn had one semester of college before dropping out with mostly D's. He claimed his brain injury from the car accident he lied about made him "less intelligent". I also suspect he's lying about a brain injury. The only evidence of that is his claim in his excuse for dropping out of college. He's lied about so many things that his word isn't credible. Just like his hero!

But, yeah, I find it incredible that people like Gohmert, Jordan, and Gaetz are lawyers. But I'd bet lousy ones.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know there are no educational qualifications for elective office. But I was surprised to know that someone who reaches the office of Chief of Staff to the White House doesn't even have a Bachelor's degree.
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Why should that even make a difference? If I had a dollar for every "highly educated" idiot I've met, I'd be rich.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know there are no educational qualifications for elective office. But I was surprised to know that someone who reaches the office of Chief of Staff to the White House doesn't even have a Bachelor's degree.

Rep. Madison Cawthorn had one semester of college before dropping out with mostly D's. He claimed his brain injury from the car accident he lied about made him "less intelligent". I also suspect he's lying about a brain injury. The only evidence of that is his claim in his excuse for dropping out of college. He's lied about so many things that his word isn't credible. Just like his hero!

But, yeah, I find it incredible that people like Gohmert, Jordan, and Gaetz are lawyers. But I'd bet lousy ones.
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I've been crossed by some COMPLETE idiots. The ability to learn enough black-letter law to pass the Bar is not, I assure you an indicator of one's intelligence.
 
Craig4 said:
I've been crossed by some COMPLETE idiots. The ability to learn enough black-letter law to pass the Bar is not, I assure you an indicator of one's intelligence.
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I don't dispute that for a moment. For Chrissake, Giuliano and S. Powell are lawyers and they're a couple of fools.
 
It had to happen. First movie about the Jan 6th uprinsing i sin the works, produced by Adam Mckay who most recently did "Don't Look Up", so you can tell where this film is coming from politically.
I just hope this is not as heavy handed and shove the message down your throat as "Don't Look Up" was.
 
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