Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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May I suggest he take a long vacation to India, Sub-Saharan Africa or other unhealthy places and see how his vaunted health holds up? I wonder if he thinks vitamins will stop malaria?

Indeed. Penicillin, smallpox vaccine, insulin - all just money making scams. People could have attained the same results by eating better. I suspect Tippit will also maintain that the reason that during the twentieth century, life expectancy at birth increased from 48 to 74 years for men, and from 51 to almost 80 years for women is entirely due to vitamins.
 
Most health gains are due to modern sanitation and nutrition, not modern medicine. Perhaps if your friends and relatives focused more on nutrition rather than proprietary "medicines" with long lists of toxic side effects, they wouldn't have had to depend on so-called medical science to survive in the first place. I would barely trust a hospital to set a broken bone, today.

This is about fixing things that are nothing to do with those things.

Improved sanitation might reduce your exposure to certain diseases, but you will still need medical science if you come across them. Or vaccinations if you know you're going somewhere where it's likely. You are very unlikely to get cholera these days, but you won't do very well without medical science if you do.

Better diet and sanitation are very much related to increased longevity. A by product of that longevity is increased incidence (amongst other things) of cancer.

People who deny themselves the benefits of medical science when it is needed usually do one of two things: they either recant when the pain kicks in or they die. Sometimes they recant when it's too late and then they die. See the many examples in this thread.
 
Not only am I stronger, fitter, and healthier than you,

You don't know how strong, fit and healthy I am.

I'm an athlete who plays competitive basketball and football. It's a safe bet that I am.

How do you know I'm not?

It seems likely based on what I've gathered.


A few decades ago, already over 15 years removed from my years of competitive running, I struck up a runner's acquaintance with an Olympian in training who held more than one American record. One day I saw her starting her run just as I had completed my first loop around a mile-long track. I resolved to stay ahead of her as long as I could, and somehow managed to stay ahead until I had finished my four miles. I waited for her at the turn so I could say hello as she flew by, but she stopped and put her hands on her knees to catch her breath, saying she was supposed to run only three miles that day. Then she looked at me and said, "Well you're looking fit!"

That was the last time I ever saw her in person.

I remember that day and laugh whenever some Internet rando tells me he's so much fitter than I am. It doesn't happen often, but more often than you might expect.

That was a long time ago, of course. A couple of years ago, when I ran in a half-marathon race, my pace was about 45% slower than in my prime. In my heyday, I'd have finished third. Even so, there were twice as many runners behind me as in front of me.

We can't all be mesomorphs, bruh.

I have a BMI of 24.4


My condolences. My own BMI has grown as well, though not quite so much.

I seem to remember Tippit saying he was over 60 years old.


There were a few guys over 60 in front of me, but not many. IIRC, only one was my age or older. Must have been Tippit; if so, he's gained a lot of weight since then.

I'm Hollywood handsome and cowboy tough, a Green Beret and my girlfriend is prettier than yours.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'm a playboy 'bunny-girl'.

Ah, the wonders and anonymity of the internet 'eh. You gotta love it!

edit: You continuously play musical chairs with the truth, why should anyone believe this BS.

Oh relax.

Hey, look what relaxing did for me! Suddenly I can benchpress 375 lbs (if the purty girls are watching, & they always are) and my car is a 2023 Lamborghini and all the big investors hang on my least little word and I know all the cool celebs (I just take a message and get back to 'em; sometimes) and God says I'll never croak no matter what and

I I I I MEEEEE!

Thank you, thank you, you're a great crowd. Sure, I despise you, but what else wouldja 'spect?

I am Odysseus, son of Laërtes. Just ask the Cyclops what a bad ass dude I be.
 
W. D. Clinger! Ahem!

You forget that the Big T lives in Florida. Surely you've heard of the Zimmer Frame League? They even have a Bingo Division. T plays for the Miami Spider Canes; he's part of their offensive lineup. Yes, very offensive.
 
People like you have so much unswerving faith in this thing called “science”, and yet have such little ability to spot ******** masquerading as science.

“What do you think science is? There's nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. Which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?”

- Steven Novella
 
“What do you think science is? There's nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. Which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?”

- Steven Novella

I think Tiptip's real beef is that we can spot ******** masquerading as science.
 
A few decades ago, already over 15 years removed from my years of competitive running, I struck up a runner's acquaintance with an Olympian in training who held more than one American record. One day I saw her starting her run just as I had completed my first loop around a mile-long track. I resolved to stay ahead of her as long as I could, and somehow managed to stay ahead until I had finished my four miles. I waited for her at the turn so I could say hello as she flew by, but she stopped and put her hands on her knees to catch her breath, saying she was supposed to run only three miles that day. Then she looked at me and said, "Well you're looking fit!"

That was the last time I ever saw her in person.

I remember that day and laugh whenever some Internet rando tells me he's so much fitter than I am. It doesn't happen often, but more often than you might expect.

That was a long time ago, of course. A couple of years ago, when I ran in a half-marathon race, my pace was about 45% slower than in my prime. In my heyday, I'd have finished third. Even so, there were twice as many runners behind me as in front of me.

There are different levels of fit. I've never been a fan of endurance running, but it's a safe bet that I will outsprint you, and outplay you at my sports. I'm definitely an internet rando, but I'm probably in the 95th percentile of the general population for overall athletic ability. If you google image marathon runners, they're all emaciated and thin ectomorphs. Not my idea of fit. If you google image sprinters, they're chiseled mesomorphs, a much healthier and more ideal body type.

The good news is, neither of us is liable to be seriously injured by Covid.
 
“What do you think science is? There's nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. Which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?”

- Steven Novella

I don't disagree with any of that. Now lets talk about why anti-selection bias for non-patentable treatments, and why randomized controlled trial bias lead to anti-scientific results, due to incentives.
 
I don't disagree with any of that. Now lets talk about why anti-selection bias for non-patentable treatments, and why randomized controlled trial bias lead to anti-scientific results, due to incentives.
First let's establish that they do.

You're basically implicating every single person in the medical and pharmaceutical industries all across the world in deliberate and conscious fraud, after all. That's literally hundreds of millions of people that you allege are heartless psychopathic maniacs who are only out for their own profit and don't care about the suffering of other human beings. And that's not even including the people in the banking and finance industries, who you claim are also part of this vast conspiracy. And you're alleging that these people have all agreed to work together to perpetrate this fraud on the rest of us, despite the fact that such people tend not to work well with others. And that somehow they are doing this without falling afoul of law enforcement and regulators, who are also therefore part of the conspiracy.

For your paranoid fantasy to be consistent, the number of people who would need to be in on the conspiracy is astronomical. What you propose cannot be achieved by a shadowy few working in secret. It can only work if it involves hundreds of millions of absolute psychopaths all working together in lockstep to achieve some vague goal at some unspecified future time. This is the world that you propose exists.

It's utterly absurd. And the worst part of it is that the actual conspiracy to harm people is the one that's promoting the misinformation that you parrot.
 
There are different levels of fit. I've never been a fan of endurance running, but it's a safe bet that I will outsprint you . . .
Impossible. I've ordered an Acme jetpack and I will crush you.
The good news is, neither of us is liable to be seriously injured by Covid.
That's what all the cement-heads detailed at Sorry Antivaxxer said right before they croaked if from COVID.
 
First let's establish that they do.

You're basically implicating every single person in the medical and pharmaceutical industries all across the world in deliberate and conscious fraud, after all. That's literally hundreds of millions of people that you allege are heartless psychopathic maniacs who are only out for their own profit and don't care about the suffering of other human beings. And that's not even including the people in the banking and finance industries, who you claim are also part of this vast conspiracy. And you're alleging that these people have all agreed to work together to perpetrate this fraud on the rest of us, despite the fact that such people tend not to work well with others. And that somehow they are doing this without falling afoul of law enforcement and regulators, who are also therefore part of the conspiracy.

For your paranoid fantasy to be consistent, the number of people who would need to be in on the conspiracy is astronomical. What you propose cannot be achieved by a shadowy few working in secret. It can only work if it involves hundreds of millions of absolute psychopaths all working together in lockstep to achieve some vague goal at some unspecified future time. This is the world that you propose exists.

It's utterly absurd. And the worst part of it is that the actual conspiracy to harm people is the one that's promoting the misinformation that you parrot.


Nope. Think harder.


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That’s it? That’s what you have?


There are lots of resources about the New World Order conspiracy that you can read about, I don’t need to re-hash it here. If you don’t understand some basic concepts like compartmentalization, and how human beings respond to incentives, you will have trouble understanding it. None of the ridiculous conditions that he mentioned are required.


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There are lots of resources about the New World Order conspiracy that you can read about, I don’t need to re-hash it here.
There are resources about how irrational the NWO conspiracy is, too.
If you don’t understand some basic concepts like compartmentalization, and how human beings respond to incentives, you will have trouble understanding it.
If you don’t understand how conspiratorial thinking works, you’ll have trouble, too.

So, those types of replies that you offered to me don’t get us anywhere, do they? Can you try to reply substantively to A’s post? On the other hand, if it’s too tedious or time consuming or boring or whatever, that’s fine as far as I’m concerned, but just name it and own it, please.
 
There are lots of resources about the New World Order conspiracy that you can read about, I don’t need to re-hash it here. If you don’t understand some basic concepts like compartmentalization, and how human beings respond to incentives, you will have trouble understanding it. None of the ridiculous conditions that he mentioned are required.

Bottom line you believe in crazy impossible stuff and expect us to share that belief with you or take it as part of reality.

We don't.
 
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