The Jan. 6 Investigation

[The Great Zaganza]

IF the committee isn't impartial, it's because Republicans wanted it this way. Remember that Pelosi tried to have a true bipartisan investigation, but Republicans refused.
Complaining about it now is also part of the plan.

How predictable, how dishonest.

 

[Warp12]

IF the committee isn't impartial, it's because Republicans wanted it this way.

"IF". Come on.

The problem is, this idea that the Dem choices default to impartiality. Which is simply not true. But, you know, Pelosi had no problem barring some Republicans because they were biased.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

"IF". Come on.

The problem is, this idea that the Dem choices default to impartiality. Which is simply not true. But, you know, Pelosi had no problem barring some Republicans because they were biased.

You are forgetting that the committee was the fallback option after Republicans refused a bigger, entirely bipartisan one.
Deliberately so?

 

[Warp12]

You are forgetting that the committee was the fallback option after Republicans refused a bigger, entirely bipartisan one.
Deliberately so?

As I say, the Republicans didn't play it smartly, imo. Was there a more nefarious underlying intent? I don't think so, based on the vote.

But this current committee is a more or less partisan parade. I don't think anyone can argue against that.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

As I say, the Republicans didn't play it smartly, imo. Was there a more nefarious underlying intent? I don't think so, based on the vote.

But this current committee is a more or less partisan parade. I don't think anyone can argue against that.

1. I do argue against that - there is no indication that the targets of the investigation are picked for any other reason than the stated one

2. As you yourself agree, Jan 6th is the result of the Big Lie, promulgated by Trump and his supporters in Congress and the media.
How could the committee investigate "both sides" if only one side did anything? how would non-partisanship even look like in your opinion? Would you be able to recognize it, given your priors?

Seems to me that you are complaining that law-abiding people are biased against criminals.

 

[Warp12]

1. I do argue against that - there is no indication that the targets of the investigation are picked for any other reason than the stated one

2. As you yourself agree, Jan 6th is the result of the Big Lie, promulgated by Trump and his supporters in Congress and the media.
How could the committee investigate "both sides" if only one side did anything? how would non-partisanship even look like in your opinion? Would you be able to recognize it, given your priors?

Seems to me that you are complaining that law-abiding people are biased against criminals.

Come on. Answer my earlier question:

If the committee were all Republicans, how would you rate its credibility?

You can't turn a blind eye to partisanship just because it happens to fall in your favor.

 

[Stacyhs]

IF the committee isn't impartial, it's because Republicans wanted it this way. Remember that Pelosi tried to have a true bipartisan investigation, but Republicans refused.
Complaining about it now is also part of the plan.

How predictable, how dishonest.

McCarthy's nominations of two Trump hemorrhoids, Jim Jordan and Jim Banks, to be on the J6C was a farce. He knew damn good and well they would be rejected which is exactly why they were chosen. It's like trying to put members of the KKK on the jury at the Ahmaud Arbery trial and then complaining when they get rejected.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Come on. Answer my earlier question:

If the committee were all Republicans, how would you rate its credibility?

You can't turn a blind eye to partisanship just because it happens to fall in your favor.

You could ask the same question how detectives could be impartial, given that non of them committed the crime they are investigating.

Seriously, what could the Commission do differently to be more "unbiased" than follow the evidence?
What would count, in your opinion, as impartial?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Come on. Answer my earlier question:

If the committee were all Republicans, how would you rate its credibility?

You can't turn a blind eye to partisanship just because it happens to fall in your favor.

So why would the Republicans investigate the fact Mitch McConnell didn't want a Large National Guard Presence at the January 6th US Presidential Vote Count Because he thought it would be Embarrassing to the Republicans and the Coup they were planning?

Why were the Insurrectionist made up of mostly antisemitic, White Supremacists, Oklahoma city Bombing Conspiracy theorist, Qanon and other Crazies solely Empowered by Trump?

Why was it Trump watched it on Television and didn't intervene?

Where did the Insurrectionist get the Idea Trump Had a Secret deal with the United States Military and that the Millitary would Support the Coup?

These are all questions I know the answer too do you?

 

[Warp12]

Come on. Answer my earlier question:

If the committee were all Republicans, how would you rate its credibility?

You can't turn a blind eye to partisanship just because it happens to fall in your favor.

You could ask the same question how detectives could be impartial, given that non of them committed the crime they are investigating.

That is one way to avoid answering the question, I guess.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That is one way to avoid answering the question, I guess.

I am not, you are avoiding it:


what would it look like, in your opinion, for the commission to be impartial?

Because I am not in the mood to play catch-up with your goalpost shifting.

 

[Warp12]

I am not, you are avoiding it:


what would it look like, in your opinion, for the commission to be impartial?

Because I am not in the mood to play catch-up with your goalpost shifting.

There is no "goal-post shifting", as my question was posed earlier, in response to Upchurch's post.

A non-partisan effort would look like something other than 7 Dems, and 2 "Republicans" that broke party solidarity.

Why can't you admit that the current committee is partisan? Just say, "Yeah, it is a bogus and partisan investigation, primarily designed to further Dem political goals."

Is that so hard? Own it.

If you can't admit the full truth, just say, "Yes, it is obviously a highly partisan effort."

 

[Pixel42]

A better question than "how partisan is the committee?" would be "what is the makeup of the committee that would best ensure it honestly investigates, and accurately reports, what actually happened on January 6th?".

 

[Warp12]

A better question than "how partisan is the committee?" would be "what is the makeup of the committee that would best ensure it honestly investigates, and accurately reports, what actually happened on January 6th?".

That question is pointless, at this stage. We have what we have.

The ideal would be an independent, non-partisan investigation. There is zero chance of impartiality with this committee.

The chances of getting Dems to admit this are slightly less than the chances of me creating cold fusion in an outhouse.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The ideal would be an independent, non-partisan investigation.

That's exactly what Democrats wanted and Republicans blocked.
The committee is the only investigate instrument Democrats could do against Republican resistance; and still they made an effort to have Republicans in key positions.

You are asking for no investigation at all.

 

[Warp12]

You are asking for no investigation at all.

Incorrect.

Just admit that it is a highly partisan effort, at least.

I don't care who you blame that on.

 

[Stacyhs]

That's exactly what Democrats wanted and Republicans blocked.
The committee is the only investigate instrument Democrats could do against Republican resistance; and still they made an effort to have Republicans in key positions.

You are asking for no investigation at all.

Yes, indeedy:

Bipartisan legislation to establish an independent commission to investigate the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol has failed in the Senate, as Republicans staged their first filibuster since President Biden took office to block the plan.
The final vote Friday was 54-35, but Republicans withheld the votes necessary to bring the bill up for debate. Just six GOP senators joined with the Democrats, leaving the measure short of the 60 votes needed to proceed.

The proposed commission was modeled on the one established to investigate the 9/11 terror attacks, with 10 commissioners — five Democrats and five Republicans — who would have subpoena powers. A Democratic chair and Republican vice chair would have had to approve all subpoenas with a final report due at the end of the year.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/28/1000...-independent-commission-on-jan-6-capitol-riot

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Incorrect.

Just admit that it is a highly partisan effort, at least.

I don't care who you blame that on.

incorrect back at you: Republicans made it clear that they don't want an impartial effort, hence the Jan 6th Commission is THE LEAST partisan effort possible.
demanding anything to be less partisan is exactly the same as wanting no investigation at all.

 

[Andy_Ross]

…do you even know what you’re talking about?

You have to ask?

 

[Warp12]

incorrect back at you: Republicans made it clear that they don't want an impartial effort, hence the Jan 6th Commission is THE LEAST partisan effort possible.demanding anything to be less partisan is exactly the same as wanting no investigation at all.

Ok, but obviously untrue. But you still can't seem to admit that it is ultra-partisan, now. Why is that?