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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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"Chief one of our officers executed a warrant at the wrong address, gave the sleeping black woman 37 warning shots, urinated on her body, burned her house down, and got drunk at her funeral knocked over the casket."
"Standard form 32A. Second desk drawer."
 
Sorry for the twitter link, but no news story

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1480546653044150279
Baton Rouge police entered a family's home without a warrant, then strip searched a teenager. The city then tried to the jail family's attorney for releasing body cam footage (which was a public record). The attorney sued, and just won in federal court.

Their reason for going after the family's attorney was because the Juvinile Court apparently ordered the body cam footage to be hidden and he released it. So on that technicality.

Of course, as the follow-up tweets point out, the prosecuting attorney also released the body-cam footage and they didn't go after him. So not so much of a legitimate issue.

I'm glad that the attorney won the case, but I'm wondering about the family and the consequences for going to the wrong place and searching the wrong person?
 
Two LAPD officers were fired for ignoring a call regarding a robbery in progress because they were playing Pokemon Go and had spotted a Snorlax.

https://twitter.com/unioncounsel/status/1480648769305649157

Their lawsuit to be reinstated failed, including this most recent appeal, but it includes some nice details:

Petitioners also denied playing Pokémon Go while on duty.
They claimed they were monitoring a “Pokémon tracker”
application on their phone, but not playing the game itself.
As for “catching” Pokémon, Officer Lozano insisted this referred
to “capturing [an] image” of the Pokémon on the tracking
application to share with friends, while Officer Mitchell said his
statements about “fighting” the Togetic referred to “relaying that
information to the groups on my app,” adding that, “in order to
take the picture, occasionally, the creature will fight.” Lozano
said they were not engaged in a game; rather, it was a “social
media event.” Mitchell said he did not consider the application
a game because it was not “advertised as a game.” Petitioners
admitted leaving their foot beat area in search of Snorlax,
but they insisted they did so “both” as part of an “extra patrol”
and to “chase this mythical creature.”
 
Kent Mayor Dana Ralph says her administration badly underestimated the public outrage that would spring from the decision not to fire an assistant police chief who posted Nazi insignia on his office door, embraced the rank of an officer in Adolf Hitler’s murderous Schutzstaffel, or SS, and joked about the Holocaust.

The admission came as Ralph and police Chief Rafael Padilla issued a somber public mea culpa, apology and lengthy video explanation Friday on YouTube as to the reasoning behind the city’s decision to discipline Assistant Chief Derek Kammerzell by giving him two weeks off, which he could take as vacation, and ordering him to undergo cultural sensitivity training.

Mayor shocked that two weeks paid leave not an adequate response for a Nazi cop.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/kent-mayor-city-badly-underestimated-outrage-over-assistant-police-chief-who-embraced-nazi-rank-insignia/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=article_inset_1.1
 
The gun belonging to Memphis Police Department Police Chief CJ Davis was stolen during a car break-in on Saturday, according to a spokesperson for the Memphis Police Department.

MPD said that Davis was in the car with someone else when they parked at a shopping center in Cordova around 3 p.m.

When Davis, who was the passenger in the car, and the other person returned to the car, they found it was broken into, MPD said.

The handgun that was stolen is Davis’ secondary duty weapon and was inside of a backpack, locked in a handgun lockbox, according to the Memphis Police Department.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/local/mpd-police-chiefs-gun-stolen-during-car-break-in-department-says/LCYNADNJVZCHDPQGETGSOOR5FM

Police chief tries to spin this as a "rising crime" tale rather than the more obvious one that an idiot left a gun poorly secured.

“This incident is a vivid reminder that even as a police official, I am not immune to the criminal activity that occurs so blatantly in our city. Carrying my weapons on or near my person has been a career-long practice on and off duty. Like so many others in our city, I am outraged to have property stolen and angered that my gun may be used unlawfully to commit a crime. This was an unfortunate incident and a reminder of the public safety challenges we face as a community. This will only strengthen my resolve to get stolen guns off our streets and bring those perpetrators to justice,” Davis said.
 
I was wondering who the first person to try to get the "Well wadda da cops supposed to do after setting the man on fire?" narrative going was going to be.

We will not being having "I demand a civil debate about why it's my moral responsibility to help someone I just set on fire" discussion here.

What would you have done if you were one of those cops?

Stood there and watched? Used your hands to try and swat out the flames, possibly burning yourself?

My first instinct would be to get away from him, then try and find something to help put the fire out.

The person at most fault was the guy who fired the tazer, assuming he had the sense enough to know that hand sanitizer is combustible. Big assumption, but we can blame him for that.

After that what should the cops have done that they didn't? Do you know that they didn't look for a fire extinguisher once they got away from the immediate danger?

I'm not one to automatically defend cops here. It's easy to make a quick judgement. Again, what should they have done?
 
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What would you have done if you were one of those cops?

Stood there and watched? Used your hands to try and swat out the flames, possibly burning yourself?

My first instinct would be to get away from him, then try and find something to help put the fire out.

The person at most fault was the guy who fired the tazer, assuming he had the sense enough to know that hand sanitizer is combustible. Big assumption, but we can blame him for that.

After that what should the cops have done that they didn't? Do you know that they didn't look for a fire extinguisher once they got away from the immediate danger?

I'm not one to automatically defend cops here. It's easy to make a quick judgement. Again, what should they have done?

A, not used the taser, and B, used a shirt or jacket to smother the flames. These are both extremely basic things that every cop should know in A and we are taught in elementary school for B.
 
Dumping her off at a homeless shelter may have just been an abuse tactic and not intended as a permanent severing of their control over her. Seeing her moving on from this traumatic experience rather than come crawling back may have been an unexpected result. Totally speculative of course, and it's pretty hard to understand the motives of someone so clearly abusive.

That is entirely possible too. I've known of more than one occasion in which a parent "kicked out" a child who was being defiant or difficult, but fully expected them to just remain on the front porch helplessly until let back in later after "learning the lesson", and was surprised and angered to find out that the kid had actually left to find somewhere else to stay.
 
Do you know that they didn't look for a fire extinguisher once they got away from the immediate danger?

All three of the officers re-enter the room after a few seconds, and not a single one is carrying a fire extinguisher. Or a blanket. Or...well, anything at all that might help with a fire, really, even from an improvisational standpoint.
 
I'm not one to automatically defend cops here. It's easy to make a quick judgement. Again, what should they have done?

Aren't police officers supposed to be trained in the most basic rescue techniques? Fetch a blanket, jacket, anything like that to cover the fire. The absolutely last thing they should do is run and not return until the flames die out...

I understand if you - as an untrained individual (*cough* get some basic first help training *cough*) - want to run away. But I would expect supposedly trained police officers to have an entirely different reaction. Protect and serve and all that.
 
A, not used the taser, and B, used a shirt or jacket to smother the flames. These are both extremely basic things that every cop should know in A and we are taught in elementary school for B.

This ^

Both of which go back to poor training, not using the MSDS on the hand sanitizer to know that giant bottle was poorly placed, the MSDS should have at a minimum meant the cops knew not to use the taser and a fire safety blanket was in the room.

And where was the fire extinguisher? No one came back in with one. I think they put gloves on they weren't wearing when they ran out of the room, it was hard to tell.

You rip your shirt off and try to smother the flames with it. That would be basic fire training.
 
All three of the officers re-enter the room after a few seconds, and not a single one is carrying a fire extinguisher. Or a blanket. Or...well, anything at all that might help with a fire, really, even from an improvisational standpoint.
And this ^
 
Aren't police officers supposed to be trained in the most basic rescue techniques? Fetch a blanket, jacket, anything like that to cover the fire. The absolutely last thing they should do is run and not return until the flames die out...

I understand if you - as an untrained individual (*cough* get some basic first help training *cough*) - want to run away. But I would expect supposedly trained police officers to have an entirely different reaction. Protect and serve and all that.

In the US, it seems that the sole concern for law enforcement "professionals" is to look after yourself and your buddies, the public can go **** themselves.

That's why you shoot first and think later, drive through town at 100 mph and why you allow someone to burn to death rather than take any steps to try and stop it which might pose any risk to you at all. :mad:
 
What would you have done if you were one of those cops?

Stood there and watched? Used your hands to try and swat out the flames, possibly burning yourself?

My first instinct would be to get away from him, then try and find something to help put the fire out.

The person at most fault was the guy who fired the tazer, assuming he had the sense enough to know that hand sanitizer is combustible. Big assumption, but we can blame him for that.

After that what should the cops have done that they didn't? Do you know that they didn't look for a fire extinguisher once they got away from the immediate danger?

I'm not one to automatically defend cops here. It's easy to make a quick judgement. Again, what should they have done?

Get the man flat on the floor and smother the flames by rolling him or with a jacket, shirt, anything. Maybe you do get some burns.

Haven't they had any training in that sort of thing?
 
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