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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

Again I've been begging for an answer as to what is supposed to happen.

Person A says they hate Left Handed Surfers. All the Left Handed Surfers stop watching his show and a good chunk of people who aren't Left Handed Surfers but don't hate them stop watching his show too.

What went wrong in that? Where did society fail? What do we need to correct for? What were the Left Handed Surfers and the people who don't hate Left Handed Surfers supposed to do? Just keep watching the show... why?

No version of any of the complaining about "Cancel Culture" ever amounts to anything beyond "Why don't people who aren't on my side just keep voluntarily interacting with people who hate them?
 
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d4m10n said:
You've no idea why Carano rapidly went from playing a character likely to become the lead of Rangers of the New Republic to looking for work? Not even a guess? I'm guessing it's obvious to most of us who have been following the posts about her here.
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I didn't say that I didn't have any idea. As a person with both feet planted firmly in reality, I have a fairly good idea of what happened.

What I'm not going to do, however, is play this game with you so that you can once again weasel out of substantiating your claims.
 
d4m10n said:
You've no idea why Carano rapidly went from playing a character likely to become the lead of Rangers of the New Republic to looking for work?
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Yes. She said something stupid and hateful and then doubled down on it. If she had even made one of those half hearted "I'm sorry anyone was offended" non-apologies even that would have been something maybe we could talk about.

Again, so you can either ignore it or make a mush-mouthed mubble replay to something totally difference but I will ask you again... WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED? How does this scenario play out in your head. Trans people just keep watching someone who said something hateful and then doubles about them?
 
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d4m10n said:
Perhaps so, but I'm willing to give the "people behind the #FireGinaCarano movement" the credit they claim is due.
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Otherwise known as "gullibility".

If you know of a better source (perhaps one more in touch with millennial culture and social norms) which covers these issues, I'm perfectly happy to take it into consideration.
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Disney would actually be the source you need to substantiate why Disney did something. Or anyone in the industry who actually knows how these things work.

Randos on the internet are not now nor have they ever been a reliable source for anything, particularly when their claims are self-aggrandizing.
 
Here, by the way, is the statement Disney made regarding Carano that specifically references her behavior:

"Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future. Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable."

Seems pretty cut and dried.

But then again, WokeWarrior1984 claims he and a few of his buddies forced Disney to scuttle a multi-million dollar project against their will, so I guess we'll never know what really happened.
 
Again please explain to me why one side being "organized" has a scare cord attached to it.
 
Is the narrative supposed to be "There's no way there's that many people who have a problem with racisms/homophobia/transphobia/etc for it to make a difference so if that's what it looks like it has to be some sort of trick?"
 
I thought I was back on page three of the thread. Just a fringe reset. All cool, but sometimes it catches me of guard.
 
johnny karate said:
Seems pretty cut and dried.
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Indeed. The Ars Technica article you linked says that "pressure had mounted for months" and then links to a Hollywood Reporter piece that explains where the pressure came from:

On Wednesday, the hashtag #FireGinaCarano was trending following an Instagram post from the outspoken conservative actor and former mixed martial artist that was met with severe backlash.
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JoeMorgue said:
Again please explain to me why one side being "organized" has a scare cord attached to it.
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No one said it did.

JoeMorgue said:
Again, so you can either ignore it or make a mush-mouthed mubble replay to something totally difference but I will ask you again... WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED?
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Rangers should've gone into production, over the objections of the hashtag activists. Sometimes well-muscled actors think like red state voters and that's something we can all learn to live with.
 
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No one said it did.

Rangers should've gone into production, over the objections of the hashtag activists. Sometimes well-muscled actors think like red state voters and that's something we can all learn to live with.
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the activists disagree
 
d4m10n said:
No one said it did.

Rangers should've gone into production, over the objections of the hashtag activists. Sometimes well-muscled actors think like red state voters and that's something we can all learn to live with.
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If it was trending on social media, then it wasn't just activists trash-talking her, but a significantly large portion of the general public.

The general public was aware of her crappy attitude and seeming glee in being an inflammatory jerk, leading to Disney pulling the plug. Activists may have had some role in bringing this to the general public's attention, though I really doubt their role was that pivotal. The loudest voice in this whole thing was Carano, who wasn't shy about being an outspoken jerk.

Disney didn't want to go forward with a project that had garnered significant negative perception with the general audience (not just activists) for fairly obvious reasons, there are better ways to spend money in showbiz.

I guess "cancel culture" is when people deliberately do things to harm their own reputation and suffer consequences.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Disney didn't want to go forward with a project that had garnered significant negative perception with the general audience (not just activists) for fairly obvious reasons, there are better ways to spend money in showbiz.
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Was the general public (or, more relevantly, Disney subscribers) polled on the Carano question at some point?

We know how social justice activists feel about (e.g.) making fun of pronouns in bios. Do we know how ordinary Disney viewers feel about that?
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I guess "cancel culture" is when people deliberately do things to harm their own reputation and suffer consequences.
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Guessing is one approach.
 
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d4m10n said:
Was the general public (or, more relevantly, Disney subscribers) polled on the Carano question at some point?

We know how the social justice activists feel about (e.g.) making fun of pronouns in bios. Do we know how ordinary Disney viewers feel about that?
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Lol.

Carano was modestly popular, but she wasn't popular enough to be such an overt jackass and avoid being fired. Sucks to suck, but trying to pin this on activists rather than a foreseeable consequence of her own abrasive behavior is very strange. She was literally warned by her employer to stop.

The Disney bean counters decided her modest popularity could no longer justify the baggage she brought and dropped her.

TV actors have a nasty habit of disappearing from the screen after they reveal themselves to be toxic. Perhaps Carano misjudged her own star power, perhaps she wanted to become some martyr for loudmouths and bigots, hard to say.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Carano was modestly popular, but she wasn't popular enough to be such an overt jackass and avoid being fired.
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If only there were a phrase which nicely encapsulates the notion that actors have to avoid sounding like conservatives in order to remain employable. Anything come to mind?
 
Tucker Carlson's efforts to cancel Ted Cruz if he didn't do his road to Canossa was a blatant example of Cancel Culture in action.
 
d4m10n said:
If only there were a phrase which nicely encapsulates the notion that actors have to avoid sounding like conservatives in order to remain employable.
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*Snorts* Okay.

Show me a conservative "cancelled" for being conservative and not just being hateful and we'll listen to your tripe.

It's not my fault if your define conservative AS being hateful.
 
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