Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[welshdean]

This is exactly my position on the dangers of Covid-19. If the links get broken, I'll edit this post to fix them:

AN ALTERNATE THEORY OF COVID-19 by Tom Palven

It is argued here that the alleged Corona-19 pandemic of Biblical proportions is not the result of a single coronavirus and its mutations, but rather the result of a much more complicated perfect storm or events and consequences.

It is submitted that Covid-19 viruses may gain most of any morbidity they possess not from their inherent lethality, but from mass psychosis and a nocebo effect.

The nocebo effect is the opposite of the placebo effect. If people feel better after being given a pill without active ingredients, that is called a placebo effect.

On the other hand, if a person feels worse after given false news that they are likely to die, that is called a nocebo effect. This apparently can happen with voodoo curses, for example, wherein people might die of heart attacks or accidents due to panic.

Propagandist Joseph Goebbels is alleged to have stated that if you repeated anything often enough, people would begin to believe it, and the narrative of a uniquely (The word "novel" was stressed) virulent covid coronavirus was repeated over and over.

Many acquaintances with compromising factors such as heart disease or diabetes have been scared to the point of being wide-eyed as they discussed the spread of Covid-19.

It would not be surprising if some people experiencing cold symptoms such as coughing and sneezing could be scared enough to begin to hyperventilate and be placed on ventilators.

Another point is that many people on their last legs, dying of colon cancer, congestive heart failure, or whatever, "die today" of diarrhea and dehydration from what doctors and nurses call C. diff (see-diff, Clostridium difficile bacteria), which doesn't often affect doctors and nurses, but mainly people whose immune systems are compromised, or whose "good" bacteria have been killed by antibiotics.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

Do their death certificates say that the cause of death was dehydration, diarrhea, or C. difficile? No, usually the death certificate states the primary cause...except, apparently, in an election year, where novel Coronavirus-19 was listed as the cause of death for people on hospice care in nursing homes. Should we accept without question the coincidence that the Covid hype began right after the major media campaign to impeach and convict Trump over allegations of a Putin connection failed, and that it the covid narrative was not driven by political operatives trying to embarrass and weaken Trump?

FactCheck confirmed that hospitals got a large government bonus when they reported covid as a contributing factor in deaths, whereas they don't for C. diff, although they have removed the article stating that it is now obsolete.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
If hospitals were paid to report C. diff as a death co-factor, fearmongers could report millions of C. diff deaths and a panic-porn-driven, "if it bleeds, it leads" press could have another field day.

Former Guardian investigative reporter, Kit Knightly (below) and several highly-credentialled statisticians have shown that there have not actually been any "excess deaths' due to Covid-19, so it is argued here that there is no global plague, but instead a global mass movement and mass psychoses related more to political and social sciences than to biological science, a sensationalist press, and a combination of medical-related interests including pharmaceutical giants.
Mass psychogenic illness - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

List of mass hysteria cases - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

Groupthink
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Perennial Classics) - Kindle edition by Hoffer, Eric. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

30 Facts You Need to Know, by Kit Knightly, former Guardian investigative journalist.
30 facts you NEED to know: Your Covid Cribsheet | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com)

You are a liar. You've been shown repeatedly that every point, hyperbolic, USA-centric and CT that you've made above is either a lie, irrelevant or too ridiculous to consider. Yet you peddle this tripe, afresh, in almost every post here.
When will you understand or admit that the lies you tell are killing people.

As I said, you are a liar and you should be downright ashamed of yourself.

 

[turingtest]

You are a liar. You've been shown repeatedly that every point, hyperbolic, USA-centric and CT that you've made above is either a lie, irrelevant or too ridiculous to consider. Yet you peddle this tripe, afresh, in almost every post here. When will you understand or admit that the lies you tell are killing people.

As I said, you are a liar and you should be downright ashamed of yourself.

For someone who pretends that it's the "Covidists" that are adhering to a religion, Tom sure does have his own Scripture that he's sticking to through thick or thin. Evidently that silly line about "pandemic of Biblical proportions" is just too good a strawman to let go of (among others)- no matter how many times he's told that nobody has ever framed it as such, he keeps returning to it like a fundie to his "Jeeeeeezus saves!"

 

[bruto]

Wow, I would have thought that after all this foofooraw a person desiring to be taken seriously might at least have edited out from his tired-out screed the reference to Kit the investugative reporter.

The full evaluation of this kind of presentation might breach forum etiquette, but I think it safe to say that it reveals a fatally direspectful dismissal of everyone else's opinion and an obstinate refusal to consider anything new worth learning.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Wow, I would have thought that after all this foofooraw a person desiring to be taken seriously might at least have edited out from his tired-out screed the reference to Kit the investugative reporter.

The full evaluation of this kind of presentation might breach forum etiquette, but I think it safe to say that it reveals a fatally direspectful dismissal of everyone else's opinion and an obstinate refusal to consider anything new worth learning.

Those are prerequisites for hoax infection. In other words, no wonder infected people act like that.

 

[Checkmite]

 

[turingtest]

Wow, I would have thought that after all this foofooraw a person desiring to be taken seriously might at least have edited out from his tired-out screed the reference to Kit the investugative reporter.

The full evaluation of this kind of presentation might breach forum etiquette, but I think it safe to say that it reveals a fatally direspectful dismissal of everyone else's opinion and an obstinate refusal to consider anything new worth learning.

"Kit the investigative reporter" doesn't even seem really all that necessary to Tom's "theory"- until you realize that it isn't a theory at all, but only a rosary ritual in which all the beads need to be touched for it to be complete and meaningful. In a way, it's because of the foofooraw that it wasn't edited out- that would be like a Catholic editing out the Hail Mary beads from his circuit because Protestants explicitly disagree with that fundamental part of his faith. Someone whose faith is defined by a total ceremony isn't going to be able to omit any part of it.

 

[carlitos]

My alma mater, Cornell, has made the news by being ridiculous:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/12...n-the-vaccination-rate-is-nearly-100-percent/

And now you have made the thread ridiculous by linking to Lew Rockwell. What next, Lyndon LaRouche?

Could it be that the shortages were due to mandatory testing which detected common colds?

:

Unless you have evidence that you have been asked for that COVID 19 tests are reporting positive for the common cold?

As someone wisely suggested:

Learn to focus on your message. Please do better.

 

[threadworm]

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I'm sensing there's a camel with a whole heap of straws about its person here...

 

[Resume]

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greatawakening.win for the loss.

 

[Tom Palven]

The only person here (and quite possibly on the planet) who has alleged this is you.

"Of Biblical proportions."
https://forward.com/articles/4192/of-biblical-proportions/

 

[Steve]

"Of Biblical proportions."
https://forward.com/articles/4192/of-biblical-proportions/

That is one man's opinion of what it may mean in certain contexts. What of it?

 

[Resume]

"Of Biblical proportions."
https://forward.com/articles/4192/of-biblical-proportions/

Yes, and what has this to do with Pixel's post?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

biblical proportions - so one iota?

 

[Trebuchet]

biblical proportions - so one iota?

How many people died in the plagues visited upon Egypt? Thousands? There weren't millions of people there. How long did they last? Pretty soon, everyone would have scooped up the frogs and dined on their legs.
This plague, on the other hand, has killed several million people and impacted the lives of the entire world. It's way beyond biblical.

 

[kookbreaker]

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Still having the truck and paying for the phone to post vaccine denial while losing everything else is so very telling of the antivaxx movement.

 

[Fonebone]

You are correct: it wasn't.

"never trust a statistic you haven't forged yourself"
https://www.academia.edu/35145823/T...ots_of_the_Neglect_of_Testimony?auto=download
Footnote1 [excerpt]
1 Werner Barke,
Ich glaube nur der Statistik... . Was Winston Churchill über Zahlen und Statistik gesagt haben soll – und was er wirklich sagte
(Stuttgart, 2011)
...This anecdote is interesting in two respects, which ultimately make the same point.
Firstly, Churchill apparently never dispensed this advice (he actually regarded statistics highly),
but the quote was devised by the Nazi regime to discredit the British enemy.1[/excerpt}

 

[eerok]

I hope this vehicle doesn't belong to anyone in this thread.

Caught this in the wild. Hollywood, CA (reddit.com)

The nuts never stay in the jar.

 

[eerok]

[...]

Thanks. I was wondering if you were a crunchy yoga antivaxxer or something more boring, and I see you're the latter.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

It is argued here that the alleged Corona-19 pandemic of Biblical proportions

The only person here (and quite possibly on the planet) who has alleged this is you.

"Of Biblical proportions."
https://forward.com/articles/4192/of-biblical-proportions/

Oh, Tom Palven, you do make me laugh! Thanks for that!

If you'd read the article you've obviously hastily Googled, you would have noticed that it makes no mention at all of Covid, and so doesn't support your claim in any way.
You silly billy!

 

[Foster Zygote]

Oh, Tom Palven, you do make me laugh! Thanks for that!

If you'd read the article you've obviously hastily Googled, you would have noticed that it makes no mention at all of Covid, and so doesn't support your claim in any way.
You silly billy!

For crap's sake, it says "January 21, 2005" right at the top! That article is old enough to drive!

But on the plus side, at least this source isn't antisemitic.