Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Tom Palven said:
You can't link to that because it's utter bollocks

Try some other BS.
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Can't I?

This is given context by the previous exchange, which went like this.

Tom Palven: Fauci is not my Great Satan, but he has been anointed Holy See by the Panic-Porn Press and seems to be the most photographed and quoted person on the International Web.

Foster Zygote: Somebody doesn't know how the "international web" works.

If you lived in Germany, or France, or South Korea, or China, or Australia or anywhere else, you would be very unlikely to see any search results about Anthony Fauci unless you specifically searched for him.

Tom Palven: At the very least, I've watched CNN on TVs all over the world.
Foster Zygote: So, unless that was a total non sequitur on the order of "my cat's breath smells like cat food", you were implying that you had personally seen Dr. Fauci on CNN all over the world as a justification for your claim that he has international influence. And in order to have seen Dr. Fauci on CNN anywhere, you would have to have done so within the last year, implying that you were "all over the world" since the first U.S. lockdown orders.


You've established yourself as a liar, Tom Palven. You have no credibility.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Can't I?

This is given context by the previous exchange, which went like this.

Tom Palven: Fauci is not my Great Satan, but he has been anointed Holy See by the Panic-Porn Press and seems to be the most photographed and quoted person on the International Web.

Foster Zygote: Somebody doesn't know how the "international web" works.

If you lived in Germany, or France, or South Korea, or China, or Australia or anywhere else, you would be very unlikely to see any search results about Anthony Fauci unless you specifically searched for him.

Tom Palven: At the very least, I've watched CNN on TVs all over the world.
Foster Zygote: So, unless that was a total non sequitur on the order of "my cat's breath smells like cat food", you were implying that you had personally seen Dr. Fauci on CNN all over the world as a justification for your claim that he has international influence. And in order to have seen Dr. Fauci on CNN anywhere, you would have to have done so within the last year, implying that you were "all over the world" since the first U.S. lockdown orders.


You've established yourself as a liar, Tom Palven. You have no credibility.
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"All over the world," is a stretch, but I've travelled to a lot of places around the world in the last couple of years where I've picked up American CNN in my hotel rooms and seen the bright and shining face of Tony Fauci telling me that the sky is falling.

If you don't want to believe that, that your privilege, and I couldn't care less.
 
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Tom Palven said:
"All over the world," is a stretch, but I've travelled to a lot of places around the world in the last couple of years where I've picked up American CNN in my hotel rooms and seen the bright and shining face of Tony Fauci telling me that the sky is falling.

If you don't want to believe that, that your privilege, and I couldn't care less.
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Using similar logic, Huw Edwards, the world renowned newsreader is the global personality everybody thinks about when the word 'news' is mentioned. This is obviously true because whenever and wherever I travel, I search for the BBC on the hotel's TV/internet.
Curb your parochialism and watch the local stations, then you'll see that Fauci (and Edwards) are a lot harder to spot.
 
As much as I'd like to get back to debunking Knightly's "30 points", I realize that this is impossible due to the childlike lack of attention of those who claimed it made a whit of difference in the real world.

Poor display. Bad show. Learn to focus on your message. Please do better.
 
Tom Palven said:
"All over the world," is a stretch, but I've travelled to a lot of places around the world in the last couple of years where I've picked up American CNN in my hotel rooms and seen the bright and shining face of Tony Fauci telling me that the sky is falling.

If you don't want to believe that, that your privilege, and I couldn't care less.
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Well I can't assume that much of anything you claim is the truth. One lie was enough, and you've told more than one.

Your argument that Fauci is the one pushing COVID-19 around the globe is incredibly naïve and provincial. And even if what you're saying is true, you're telling us that you've been overseas watching CNN for Christ's sake. An American news network. That's no different than someone from France claiming that Emmanuel Macron is featured heavily all over world media because he's tuned into French news channels while staying in hotels in Chicago and Kyoto, and has seen a lot of stories featuring Macron. The fact that you seem to think that the search results and targeted ads that you see in the U.S. are what everyone else around the world sees as well tells the same story of naïvete.

Your arguments about Fauci are really asinine, and are based in ignorance of world media, as you yourself have openly stated.

There is a massive scientific consensus regarding COVID-19, and no matter how you try to spin it, you're just another ignorant conspiracy theorist pissing into the wind of science and parroting moronic arguments made by people with a deep psychological need to think that they're smarter than everyone around them. It would be laughable if it wasn't for the millions who have died, and the many millions more who have been seriously injured by this virus.
 
Tom Palven said:
"All over the world," is a stretch, but I've travelled to a lot of places around the world in the last couple of years where I've picked up American CNN in my hotel rooms and seen the bright and shining face of Tony Fauci telling me that the sky is falling.

If you don't want to believe that, that your privilege, and I couldn't care less.
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Of course you have dear.
 
eerok said:
As much as I'd like to get back to debunking Knightly's "30 points", I realize that this is impossible due to the childlike lack of attention of those who claimed it made a whit of difference in the real world.

Poor display. Bad show. Learn to focus on your message. Please do better.
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Indeed: I've twice linked to Health Feedback's take down of Knightly's "30 points", but that has been ignored by the usual suspects.

Actually, I've just thought of another way in which I am an investigative journalist: I too have had BTL posts censored on Teh Graun! Well, I say censored...Removed for "Not abiding by our community standards" and all because I repeatedly called out obvious shooting industry shills for being so and astroturfing! Watch me being oppressed! Look at the censorship in action! Feel the power of the mighty delete button!
 
Tom Palven said:
My alma mater, Cornell, has made the news by being ridiculous:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/12...n-the-vaccination-rate-is-nearly-100-percent/
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1. You posted a link to a pro-vaccine source. You yourself have said you have been vaccinated. Now you are posting a link to an anti-vaccine source.
What, exactly, is your position on the Covid vaccines?
2. You have posted links to sources that say that Covid testing is inaccurate. Now you have posted a link to an article that says vaccines are ineffective because 700 students have tested positive.
If the tests are inaccurate, as you claim, then this latest article is wrong.
What, exactly, is your position on the accuracy of Covid tests?
3. You have posted before about how you think that Covid is not real, or not dangerous. If that is the case, then why would it matter if 700 students have tested positive, and why would further outbreaks be any cause for concern, as it says in your latest link?
What, exactly, is your position on the existence and dangers of Covid-19?
 
VAERS reporting for vaccines against Covid-19 vs others

One claim that I have heard is that the number of events reported in VAERS is greater than all other vaccines over the last thirty years combined. I would like to begin addressing this claim. I found this at FactCheck: "As we explained then, the huge number of VAERS reports following COVID-19 vaccination and relative paucity for other vaccines is likely mostly due to a reporting bias. For one, because the COVID-19 vaccines are or were at first authorized under an emergency use authorization, there are much broader reporting requirements for health care providers...In contrast [to the vaccines for Covid-19], with all other vaccines, providers are only required to report select adverse events, including the so-called reportable events for each vaccine that occur within a certain time period after vaccination, such as an allergic anaphylactic reaction....He [Dr. Paul Beninger] said that there’s even a phenomenon known as the Weber effect, in which heightened awareness of a new vaccine leads to a spike in reports to safety systems such as VAERS, before rapidly declining."

Biostatistician Jeffrey Morris was quoted several times in this article. A link to his blog is found here.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
What, exactly, is your position on the existence and dangers of Covid-19?
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This is exactly my position on the dangers of Covid-19. If the links get broken, I'll edit this post to fix them:

AN ALTERNATE THEORY OF COVID-19 by Tom Palven

It is argued here that the alleged Corona-19 pandemic of Biblical proportions is not the result of a single coronavirus and its mutations, but rather the result of a much more complicated perfect storm or events and consequences.

It is submitted that Covid-19 viruses may gain most of any morbidity they possess not from their inherent lethality, but from mass psychosis and a nocebo effect.

The nocebo effect is the opposite of the placebo effect. If people feel better after being given a pill without active ingredients, that is called a placebo effect.

On the other hand, if a person feels worse after given false news that they are likely to die, that is called a nocebo effect. This apparently can happen with voodoo curses, for example, wherein people might die of heart attacks or accidents due to panic.

Propagandist Joseph Goebbels is alleged to have stated that if you repeated anything often enough, people would begin to believe it, and the narrative of a uniquely (The word "novel" was stressed) virulent covid coronavirus was repeated over and over.

Many acquaintances with compromising factors such as heart disease or diabetes have been scared to the point of being wide-eyed as they discussed the spread of Covid-19.

It would not be surprising if some people experiencing cold symptoms such as coughing and sneezing could be scared enough to begin to hyperventilate and be placed on ventilators.

Another point is that many people on their last legs, dying of colon cancer, congestive heart failure, or whatever, "die today" of diarrhea and dehydration from what doctors and nurses call C. diff (see-diff, Clostridium difficile bacteria), which doesn't often affect doctors and nurses, but mainly people whose immune systems are compromised, or whose "good" bacteria have been killed by antibiotics.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/symptoms-causes/syc-20351691

Do their death certificates say that the cause of death was dehydration, diarrhea, or C. difficile? No, usually the death certificate states the primary cause...except, apparently, in an election year, where novel Coronavirus-19 was listed as the cause of death for people on hospice care in nursing homes. Should we accept without question the coincidence that the Covid hype began right after the major media campaign to impeach and convict Trump over allegations of a Putin connection failed, and that it the covid narrative was not driven by political operatives trying to embarrass and weaken Trump?

FactCheck confirmed that hospitals got a large government bonus when they reported covid as a contributing factor in deaths, whereas they don't for C. diff, although they have removed the article stating that it is now obsolete.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ore-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/
If hospitals were paid to report C. diff as a death co-factor, fearmongers could report millions of C. diff deaths and a panic-porn-driven, "if it bleeds, it leads" press could have another field day.

Former Guardian investigative reporter, Kit Knightly (below) and several highly-credentialled statisticians have shown that there have not actually been any "excess deaths' due to Covid-19, so it is argued here that there is no global plague, but instead a global mass movement and mass psychoses related more to political and social sciences than to biological science, a sensationalist press, and a combination of medical-related interests including pharmaceutical giants.
Mass psychogenic illness - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

List of mass hysteria cases - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases

Groupthink
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Perennial Classics) - Kindle edition by Hoffer, Eric. Politics & Social Sciences Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

30 Facts You Need to Know, by Kit Knightly, former Guardian investigative journalist.
30 facts you NEED to know: Your Covid Cribsheet | Principia Scientific Intl. (principia-scientific.com)
 
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Tom Palven said:
Former Guardian investigative reporter, Kit Knightly...
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Keep repeating that lie until it becomes true.

Kit Knightly was never an investigative reporter for The Guardian or any other publication. He was a crackpot who got banned from their public forum, like Grandpa Simpson complaining about there being too many states. The fact that you're now doubling down on that lie is just further proof that you are incapable of admitting that you're wrong.

You're not smarter than the world's medical science community, who have a massive consensus regarding COVID-19. You might as well pretend to overturn equally firm consensuses in fields like astrophysics or chemistry. That would be just a laughable.
 
Tom Palven said:
This is exactly my position on the dangers of Covid-19. If the links get broken, I'll edit this post to fix them:

AN ALTERNATE THEORY OF COVID-19 by Tom Palven

It is argued here......
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These are most likely not your own words, and in any case, you have posted this before. The various silly claims have been checked, and found to be untrue. You do not appear to have taken that in: perhaps you should have another look, further back in the thread, to refresh your memory.

It appears, then, that you do not believe Covid-19 to be dangerous at all.
Can you please, then stop posting links to articles that say it is? I am referring, for example, to the lew rockwell link, your most recent one.
If, as you claim, Covid is a nocebo, then how can it be transmitted by anyone, vaccinated or not?
None of your copy-and-paste, previously-debunked cribbed nonsense refers to the dangers of vaccines. Are you for or against the Covid vaccines? Try to answer in your own words. please.
 
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