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New truth effort AE911

Orphia Nay said:
No, it's not a digital billboard.

I still think it's stupid and exploitative, but it's not digital.
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And ironic since the AE911Truth folk are the ones lying about how their children died.
 
Robin said:
And ironic since the AE911Truth folk are the ones lying about how their children died.
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For the record, how are they indicating their children died? In a building collapse, most definitely so what is their alleged problem? The current accepted narrative or some off the wall fantasy?
 
bknight said:
For the record, how are they indicating their children died? In a building collapse, most definitely so what is their alleged problem? The current accepted narrative or some off the wall fantasy?
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McIlvaine believes his son died when he was about to enter the North Tower lobby as explosives inside turned the windows to shards and peppered him with shrapnel wounds, and additionally, the explosions shot some large object and obliterated much of Bobby's head. He believes this happened at very nearly the same time the first plane crashed, at 8:46. That Bobby was one of the first victims brought to the morge, before the first collapse even.

None if this is true.

Tragically, McIlvaine has forgotten all the important facts and replaced them in his sad head with the AE lies. In reality, Bobby had to be on the 106th floor well before 8:30, and thus could not have approached the lobby after 8:45. However, the nature of his appointment would have allowed him to leave aroujd 8:30.
Fact is, Bobby's body was found 2 days later, on the "perimeter" of the World Trade Center complex - most likely on or near West St, for his office was across West St in the WFC.
His wounds are consistent with him facing a collapsing tower and getting hit with large and small debris with blunt force (no penetration from fast or sharp shrapnel).
 
Father wants to blame the USG... and has been exploited by Gage for years. Sad.
 
Fonebone said:
The billboard is constructed of vinyl impregnated fabric and tied to the building wall with grommets and elastic cordage tied to metal tie-downs
clamps fastened into the building masonry brickwork. The images and words are ink-jet printed onto the fabric and cured with Ultra Violet Light
to fix the colors images and text from sunlight and weather.



https://www.ultraflexx.com/billboard-material/
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And so does that mean it really did cost $17,000?
 
Oystein said:
McIlvaine believes his son died when he was about to enter the North Tower lobby as explosives inside turned the windows to shards and peppered him with shrapnel wounds, and additionally, the explosions shot some large object and obliterated much of Bobby's head. He believes this happened at very nearly the same time the first plane crashed, at 8:46. That Bobby was one of the first victims brought to the morge, before the first collapse even.

None if this is true.

Tragically, McIlvaine has forgotten all the important facts and replaced them in his sad head with the AE lies. In reality, Bobby had to be on the 106th floor well before 8:30, and thus could not have approached the lobby after 8:45. However, the nature of his appointment would have allowed him to leave aroujd 8:30.
Fact is, Bobby's body was found 2 days later, on the "perimeter" of the World Trade Center complex - most likely on or near West St, for his office was across West St in the WFC.
His wounds are consistent with him facing a collapsing tower and getting hit with large and small debris with blunt force (no penetration from fast or sharp shrapnel).
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I'd love it if you could talk to McIlvaine one day.
 
Orphia Nay said:
I'd love it if you could talk to McIlvaine one day.
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Jennifer Senior, who wrote the big piece on McIlvaine in this September' The Atlantic talked to him at length, and she found some of the facts I mentioned, and confronted him with them. Facts don't matter any longer to this poor soul, who is on a quasi-religious horror trip, thanks to the poisonous "drugs" AE and Gage kept feeding him for years. Senior knew the McIlvaines in 2001 - Bobby was her brother's roommate and best friend. She had already written about it in an article published before September 2001 was over:
https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11/features/5180/
Jennifer Senior said:
The fact that his body – mostly intact, with his wallet to identify him – had been recovered less than 48 hours after the collapse of Tower One
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McIlvaine, years later, came to believe - falsely - that Bobby was found and taken to the morgue the day he died:
https://truthandshadows.com/2016/09/10/mcilvaine-controlled-demolition/
Craig McKee said:
...McIlvaine says. “That’s why he was picked up so quickly, because the EMTs came down there so quickly. Someone had gotten him out of there and to the morgue before the towers came down.”
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McIlvaine bellieves that his son had an appointment in Windows of the World at 9 am and was therefore walking in at 8:46 when he was struck by an explosion. But the fact is, Bobby's chore that morning was to help a colleague set up a presentation, the first presentation of the day which was scheduled for 8:40 - and so the setting-up would have been done before 8:30. Jennifer Senior has the story:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/09/twenty-years-gone-911-bobby-mcilvaine/619490/
Jennifer Senior said:
He [McIlvaine] rejects this explanation. “My theory is he was walking into the building at the time, because he had the conference up there.”
“I thought his conference started at 8:30?” I ask. The first plane hit at 8:46 a.m. That would have meant Bobby was arriving late.
“I thought it started at 9,” Bob Sr. says.
“Isn’t there a way to find out?” I ask.
“You know, to tell you the truth, I never …”
He’d never checked.
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The 9/11 Memorial & Museum still has the brochure for that conferece - and thus the proof it started at 8:30, with the Merryll Lynch guy to speak at 8:40. See page 2:
https://collection.911memorial.org/Detail/objects/24521

Senior goes on:
Jennifer Senior said:
My brother also tells me that he still has the note Bob Sr. left for him on his kitchen table on Thursday, September 13. It said that an investigator with the New York City Police Department, Joe Gagliardi, had just come by to drop off the wallet they’d pulled from Bobby’s pocket. One line in particular stood out. He was found on the perimeter. Not near the lobby.

“Was he really?” Bob Sr. says when I phone him and ask him about the note. He’d completely forgotten that he’d written it. “If that’s true, that’s great.” He thinks for a moment. “Though the perimeter—he still could have been 10 feet away. He certainly wasn’t 100 feet from the building.”
I then tell him about the conference schedule, which actually did leave open the possibility that he was 100 feet from the building. If he’d left before his colleague started speaking—or the opening remarks—he could have been quite close to his office at Merrill Lynch, a five-minute walk away. Bob Sr. takes it all in. He repeats that he finds Bobby’s injuries too extreme, too savage, to be caused by flying debris. “But you know what?” he finally says. “That’s no longer relevant to me. My whole thing is who did it and why. It’s been 20 years and I still can’t get any answers.”
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Those last remarks by McIlvaine reveal the whole tragedy: He is no longer about facts, he is about "Truth", and he seeks it where no truth can be found (at the "9/11 Truth Movement"), and thus ensures he'll never reach closure.

And Mrs. Senior believes that is the point of the excercise: McIlvaine sr. does not want closure. He wants to keep the wound open, for suffering from it is the meaning of his post-2001 life.
 
Sr fell into a cult and he can't find... nor does he want to... the way out. It's sad how he is exploiting the death of his son.
 
The circumstances of JR's death has nothing to do with the event. It appears to be directly related to the plane strike and falling debris.
Gage et al make the absurd claim it was from bombs in the lobby area. The steel of the trees was 5" plate... and the core was 2+" thick. Placing CD down there would require massive amounts of explosives... This is just hooie.
 
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