Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[Stacyhs]

That is dated 1/27/21. Well before the FBI investigation.

Comical.

So? Has their information changed? No. Have they changed their conclusion? No.

Why are Dear Leader and his sycophantic followers fighting the Jan. 6 Committee so hard to keep them from getting records and interviewing them?

HINT: It ain't cuz there's nothing to hide.

Quack, quack.....

 

[Warp12]

Thanks to Stacy, and the FBI, we can now all agree that I am correct.

The Cline Center’s Coup D’état Project is the world’s largest global registry of failed and successful coups. The Cline Center defines a coup as an “organized effort to effect sudden and irregular (e.g., illegal or extra-legal) removal of the incumbent executive authority of a national government, or to displace the authority of the highest levels of one or more branches of government.” To be categorized as a coup, an event must meet the following criteria (which are detailed at greater length in the Coup D’état Project codebook):

1.There must be some person or persons who initiated the coup.
2.The target of the coup must have meaningful control over national policy.
3.There must be a credible threat to the leaders' hold on power.
4.Illegal or irregular means must be used to seize, remove, or render
powerless the target of the coup.
5.It must be an organized effort.

The best part is, the supposed leader of this "coup" is polling higher than Biden. Damn, how did the FBI get it so wrong? I mean, according to the thread title, this is "Trump's Coup", right?

FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated

The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.
...

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...ol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

The FBI comes up empty-handed in its search for a Jan. 6 plot

More than 570 people have been arrested, but only 40 face conspiracy charges. Those charges are often based on prior discussions about trying to enter Congress or bringing material to use in the riot; some clearly came prepared for rioting with ropes, chemical irritants and other materials. Those cases, however, are a small group among the hundreds charged and an even smaller percentage among the tens of thousands of protesters on that day.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...p-empty-handed-in-its-search-for-a-jan-6-plot

I suspect there will be a shortage of clown shoes at Amazon this holiday season. The ISF Dems have stockpiled them, apparently.

I love a bipartisan effort.

 

[Stacyhs]

Warp's 'reasoning' is horribly dumb all the way down.

You don't need to plan to attempt a coup. If Trump had spoken to no one and planned nothing but walked into the Capitol and declared martial law, that's a coup attempt.

You don't need to be in on a coup's plan to be part of a coup. Any general in the above example who went along wouldn't have been coordinating directly in any pre-planning, but would inarguably be part of a coup. Freaking duh.

Likewise one doesn't even have to be aware you're taking part in a coup. The people who were there on Jan 6th who marched to the Capitol but didn't storm it were still putting pressure on Pence to declare the votes invalid, which was part of the coup's plan. They were playing a part in it without necessarily being aware that's what they were doing.

But the reasoning gets even more amoeba brained when the reasoning is some of them coordinated insurrection that furthered a coup attempt, but that doesn't count because most of them didn't. WTF?

They took concrete steps in furtherance of a goal, and that goal was the illegal seizing of the power of the government, which had a plausible mechanisms of success. This was a a coup attempt and the insurrectionists were part of a coup attempt whether or not they wanted to be.

Of course it's dumb, but this is what they do: deny, deny, deny.....

 

[Stacyhs]

Warpie should learn to read something before piping up:

One or More Groups Planned to Storm the US Capitol

The fifth criterion for categorizing coups excludes purely spontaneous acts that are not intentionally organized in advance. It is clear that those assembled on January 6th possessed a variety of motives and expectations. Those who stormed the US Capitol Building—as well as those who merely joined in the peaceful protests that preceded it—included a diverse mix of groups and unaffiliated individuals. But one or more of the groups within the ranks of those who entered the Capitol Building had carefully planned, equipped, and organized themselves for violent action.


One or More Groups Intended to Usurp Congressional Authority to Certify the 2020 Presidential Election

The “Save America March” rally that immediately preceded the attack on the US Capitol Building was thematically focused on changing the outcome of the 2020 US Presidential election. That alone does not mean the people who stormed the building intended any more than temporarily disrupting the normal operations of the US Congress. Cline Center researchers paid careful attention to evidence that might clarify the intentions of those involved in assaulting the US Capitol Building.

Our team has concluded from publicly-available reporting that one or more groups attempted to intervene in the presidential transition in order to extend President Trump’s time in office past the constitutionally-imposed limit of January 20, 2021. Ample evidence demonstrates that one or more groups within the ranks of those who illegally entered the Capitol intended to usurp congressional authority to certify the election, arrogating control of the transition to themselves or to the executive branch. This would change who controls the federal government, rather than merely disrupt the process of governing.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Thanks to Stacy, and the FBI, we can now all agree that I am correct.





I love a bipartisan effort.

Not So fast Homeland Security is now investigating the January 6th Insurrection along with the January 6th committee.
The FBI turned it over to Homeland Security.

 

[Warp12]

Not So fast Homeland Security is now investigating the January 6th Insurrection along with the January 6th committee.
The FBI turned it over to Homeland Security.

So, you're saying that one day, if lib dreams come true, this may indeed be known as "Trump's Coup"?

Cool.

In the meantime, it is just comical hyperbole. The domain of ISF Dems and allies.

 

[Warp12]

Warpie should learn to read something before piping up:

The funny part is you are still quoting an article from 1/27/21.

I'll side with the FBI on this one, I'm afraid.

But sure, when hanging out with like-minded folk, call it a "coup" all you want.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

So, you're saying that one day, if lib dreams come true, this may indeed be known as "Trump's Coup"?

Cool.

In the meantime, it is just comical hyperbole. The domain of ISF Dems and allies.

Then How did I kno w it was going to happen in December 20/20 Do you think I am psychic is there still a Million dollar prize I should apply for?

 

[Stacyhs]

The funny part is you are still quoting an article from 1/27/21.

I'll side with the FBI on this one, I'm afraid.

But sure, when hanging out with like-minded folk, call it a "coup" all you want.

Why don't we just wait until the J6C and Homeland Security are done with their investigations? Of course, they have to get through Trumpie and his arselickers desperately doing everything they can think of to keep them from getting their hands on those 'totally we didn't do anything!" documents.



Speaking of like-minded folk, isn't Trump 2024! missing you?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

So, you're saying that one day, if lib dreams come true, this may indeed be known as "Trump's Coup"?

Cool.

In the meantime, it is just comical hyperbole. The domain of ISF Dems and allies.

The funny part is you are still quoting an article from 1/27/21.

I'll side with the FBI on this one, I'm afraid.

But sure, when hanging out with like-minded folk, call it a "coup" all you want.

Well I did Tell the Breona Taylor Protest group that I joined on Facebook as well as the DNC, and Antira not to show up on the Sixth because that would give Trump a cause to call out the Insurrection Act, Let the Idiots fight it out with Capitol Police and the national Guard!
I told them that on December 10th or 11th I don't remember the exact date Jerome Corsi posted the video about, Trump using the Insurrection act to stay in power!

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Why don't we just wait until the J6C and Homeland Security are done with their investigations? Of course, they have to get through Trumpie and his arselickers desperately doing everything they can think of to keep them from getting their hands on those 'totally we didn't do anything!" documents.

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Speaking of like-minded folk, isn't Trump 2024! missing you?

http://youtu.be/o5OsvGLPfKo

 

[DallasDad]

Request to Moderators

This thread has become unreadable. Can you move all the stuff about what "coup" means to a separate thread, and leave this one for discussing the Capitol assault?

 

[Warp12]

This thread has become unreadable. Can you move all the stuff about what "coup" means to a separate thread, and leave this one for discussing the Capitol assault?

While we're at it, maybe we can change the hyperbolic thread title?

 

[kevbo]

This thread has become unreadable. Can you move all the stuff about what "coup" means to a separate thread, and leave this one for discussing the Capitol assault?

Seconded.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Warp's 'reasoning' is horribly dumb all the way down.

Because it's not reasoning, it's a flex.

 

[JoeMorgue]

This thread has become unreadable. Can you move all the stuff about what "coup" means to a separate thread, and leave this one for discussing the Capitol assault?

Sure we'll address the *checks notes* exactly zero actual arguments the Right has instead.

 

[eerok]

This thread has become unreadable. Can you move all the stuff about what "coup" means to a separate thread, and leave this one for discussing the Capitol assault?

My problem with this is that I think the attack on the Capitol was just the garnish on the turd -- it was the most visible and disgusting part, but not necessarily the most frightening part. There were more dimensions to the coup attempt than that. I agree that it's silly to dwell on definitions here. Just ignore the trolls, and this thread will be more readable.

 

[Warp12]

My problem with this is that I think the attack on the Capitol was just the garnish on the turd -- it was the most visible and disgusting part, but not necessarily the most frightening part. There were more dimensions to the coup attempt than that. I agree that it's silly to dwell on definitions here. Just ignore the trolls, and this thread will be more readable.

Translation:

"Just immerse yourself in liberal groupthink and all of your troubles shall disappear."

Too rich.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Translation:

"Just immerse yourself in liberal groupthink and all of your troubles shall disappear."

Too rich.

A. we know the attack happened and B. We know Trump called for the attack to happen.

 

[eerok]

A. we know the attack happened and B. We know Trump called for the attack to happen.

Reality is a bridge too far for these people. We know what happened, but they never will.