Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

Skeptic Tank said:
Pro-tip: this kind of goofy statement is the sort of thing that has even others who mostly agree with your view of things starting to think I sound like the reasonable one.

But you do you.
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Yeah, the white nationalists are really coming out of this one looking pretty rosey. :rolleyes:
 
Pro-tip: this kind of goofy statement is the sort of thing that has even others who mostly agree with your view of things starting to think I sound like the reasonable one.
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There is nothing goofy about that statement, at all. For reference the statement ST refers to was

"He was not "looking out for his neighborhood" he was out to kill a black person for no other reason than he was black."
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You, and Travis McMichael, and his father, and Roddie Bryant are all like-minded; birds of a feather, you all think that even being black is a crime in and of itself. Y'all are a racists.

Me calling you those things is not a personal attack, because you have made it quite clear in your posts that you embrace the fact of your racism and white supremacism... you have admittedly worn these things proudly, as badges of honour. So as a racist, you are perfectly happy to see three rednecks chase down a running black man, corner him and murder him. Don't try to deny this, you have made it absolutely clear to everyone here.

If the situation were reversed, and a white guy, Logan, was running in a black neighbourhood, and three black neighbours, DeShawn, Darnell and Jamal chased him down in their Toyota and Honda, got him cornered and shot him dead when he tried to defend himself, you would be screeching your head off about violent, criminal scumbag n-words, and about how all them three n-words should be taken out a summarily executed. Don't deny it... that is exactly what your reaction would be... you know it, I know it, and everyone here knows it!
 
Skeptic Tank said:
These three men should not be punished because the criminal they confronted happened to be black. They didn't get to choose what color the criminal was. It's especially perverse to make a criminal being black some sort of trigger for far harsher punishment and attention on a case, when a criminal being black is like a rapist being male.
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Travis McMichael shot and killed someone. That makes him a violent offender. According to you, that means he should be executed.
 
Bob001 said:
1/ Arbery was not a criminal, he didn't steal anything, he was not armed, and there is no evidence that he posed any threat to the community.

2/ The McMichaels had no legal or moral authority to confront him, let alone chase him and kill him. They functioned as modern-day slave catchers.

It's astonishing to me that anyone could think these guys should walk.
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I don't know if slave catchers is the right comparison. However, the only thing different between this and good-old-fashioned 1950s lynching is that they accused him of petty theft as opposed to raping a white woman.

It's basically Emmet Till.
 
Some thoughts on why people like the McMichaels are always so scared, or claim to be.
The testimony highlights a crucial privilege of whiteness (and maleness): always being given the benefit of the doubt. For months before they were even indicted, the defendants got to spread their version of the story. And the media published their claims over and over without questioning, fact-checking, or offering a counternarrative. Decades of research have shown that media outlets overemphasize crime coverage, causing many Americans to believe crime rates are higher than they actually are. Once again, Travis McMichael’s testimony appears race-neutral on the surface but is actually laden with racial implications. From the very beginning, the defendants claimed the narrative upper hand by tapping into an easily accepted fear for white Americans everywhere, and the national media helped them do it.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/mcmichaels-defense-assumption-whiteness-trial.html
 
Bob001 said:
Some thoughts on why people like the McMichaels are always so scared, or claim to be.

The testimony highlights a crucial privilege of whiteness (and maleness): always being given the benefit of the doubt. For months before they were even indicted, the defendants got to spread their version of the story. And the media published their claims over and over without questioning, fact-checking, or offering a counternarrative.
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Do you think the part in bold is even remotely true?

And what about Jussie Smollet? His fantastical, farcical web of lies was certainly given the benefit of the doubt by many. Can we also chalk that up to whiteness?

(I'm aware that a lot of black people who don't hold the correct views are considered white supremacists nowadays. I guess it only makes sense* that they're enjoying the privilege of whiteness.)
 
I am watching the defense closings. I thought Sheffield did a really good job. Maybe. I could see it going over well with some jurors. To me, he riles up my skeptical hairs. He seems like a good magician who then claims he has actual supernatural powers. Although his tricks looked convincing, I know he is trying to deceive me. But a good actor that might convince some jurors.

For example, when he talked about Albenze. The video shows Albenze just sort of raised his hand and pointed. But this lawyer steps his right foot back and pulls his right arm back and then thrusts with a forward motion. It didn't happen like that. He is putting on an act. When he says Travis just said quietly, "Hey, man. I want to talk with you." That didn't happen. That is his act.

My real trouble is that Travis seeing Arbery attack Roddie's truck on Holmes is an obvious lie. I hope the jury realizes this lie. He is lying because he knows what he did was wrong. Regardless of all the other evidence, the obvious evidence that Travis lied to the jury should result in a conviction of all charges. And probably bring the co-defendants down with him.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus Christ dude calm down. You're a little over-protective of your self appointed role as the "Official Legal Analyst" for this board.
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Hold on. I am the self-appointed "Official Legal Analyst" for this forum. :D

I comment on and analyze things from a legal perspective in multiple threads. I have an interest in law and submit post concerning law because that is my interest.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Hold on. I am the self-appointed "Official Legal Analyst" for this forum. :D

I comment on and analyze things from a legal perspective in multiple threads. I have an interest in law and submit post concerning law because that is my interest.
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If it makes a difference, you can have it. I don't want it and didn't even know I had done it.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Pro-tip: this kind of goofy statement is the sort of thing that has even others who mostly agree with your view of things starting to think I sound like the reasonable one.

But you do you.
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That's an odd conclusion when the father yelled he was going to blow the victim's head off.
 
Looks like Atlanta police have said they're ready for any fallout from the verdict, but I'm thinking everyone walks away happy with this one. Really, really hoping for the jury to wrap it up today.
 
Assuming we get a guilty verdict today I think it's safe to assume we won't get sentencing until after the New Year.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Assuming we get a guilty verdict today I think it's safe to assume we won't get sentencing until after the New Year.
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Assuming they are found guilty on the most serious charges, it's basically a moot point for everyone but the youngest, and since he's the triggerman you would expect the harshest sentence.

A guilty verdict seems likely for all 3 to die in prison.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Assuming they are found guilty on the most serious charges, it's basically a moot point for everyone but the youngest, and since he's the triggerman you would expect the harshest sentence.

A guilty verdict seems likely for all 3 to die in prison.
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Yeah but given... *gestures broadly at the world* I consider stuff like this not over until it's over, sentenced, and the last appeal has been denied.

The rug of justice has been pulled out from under us at the last minute one too many times, as it was.

Hell the Governor's a Republican, hope he doesn't pardon them.

ETA: Looks like Georgia is one of only 9 states where the Governor doesn't have pardon power, so at least there's that to no worry about.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Hell the Governor's a Republican, hope he doesn't pardon them.
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I don't know that it would do any real good in the grand scheme of things. This is just round 1 for these guys. Even an acquittal here isn't game, set, match, IF it were to happen.

Three Georgia men were indicted today by a federal grand jury in the Southern District of Georgia and charged with hate crimes and the attempted kidnapping of Ahmaud Arbery. The indictment also charges two of the men with separate counts of using firearms during that crime of violence.
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Just like in the Floyd trial, and pardon my Bob's Burgers reference, but this is only the warm-up freeze tag before the nude decathlon of which is a federal trial.
 
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