The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[Armitage72]

The belief that the results are fraudulent appears to be genuine.

A belief based on the premise that it's impossible for them to lose. Therefore, if they lose, then the election was fraudulent.

 

[BobTheCoward]

A belief based on the premise that it's impossible for them to lose. Therefore, if they lose, then the election was fraudulent.

Correct.

 

[newyorkguy]

trump's support has been and continues to be overwhelmingly white, especially among white males. Here's an explanation from Scientific American. It has to do with risk assessment on a very personal level.

This helps explain why a wide and well-defined swath of the U.S. public—from the Proud Boys and other extremist groups who have terrorized Washington D.C. in recent weeks, to the senators ripping up the roots of democracy in Congress—are willing to accept the risks of Trump’s rejection of a legitimate election. They perceive an even greater threat around the horizon: a threat to an elevated social status that they imagine only Trump can preserve and restore, a social status that is inevitably linked to race, gender, and religion.

And in the case of White men, it is often a lens that seeks to preserve institutionalized cultural identity and societal status. As many observed, there is a stark difference between the response to and treatment of the thousands of Stop the Steal rioters on [Jan 6th] and the response to and treatment of the thousands who gathered in D.C. in June 2020 in support of Black Lives Matter. Scientific American link

Among the trump supporters I know, fear of Black and Hispanic Americans is very high. One man I know has a son who was one of the early organizers for the Tea Party in our area. His son flys the 13 star original American flag from the front of his house. I heard his son explain:

The way the country was set up by the Founding Fathers, only white males could vote. Imagine if that was still true today. Start with Bill Clinton. Would he have been elected? No way. Barack Obama? Forget it. Imagine how different the country would be. BLM would not be tolerated. AOC would still be working in a bar.

This is where they want to go. And for the first time in their lives they see a man -- trump -- they think might actually be able to pull it off.

 

[bruto]

The belief that the results are fraudulent appears to be genuine.

I don't believe that for one second. You may if you will, but I don't buy it. Maybe our idiot demented ex believes his own lies and maybe a few of his mindless drones have turned off their brains, but I think most are knowingly committing fraud with the specific intent to disenfranchise their opponents and to murder democratic government. This can be true even if they sincerely believe what they are doing is good and righteous.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I don't believe that for one second. You may if you will, but I don't buy it. Maybe our idiot demented ex believes his own lies and maybe a few of his mindless drones have turned off their brains, but I think most are knowingly committing fraud with the specific intent to disenfranchise their opponents and to murder democratic government. This can be true even if they sincerely believe what they are doing is good and righteous.

Most people in both parties are religious.

 

[newyorkguy]

The belief that the results are fraudulent appears to be genuine? A belief based on no evidence? When even trump-sanctioned audits found nothing?

Bob you're derailing this discussion and wasting everyone's time with word games and nonsense. A belief that requires ignoring actual evidence is dishonest, either based on ignorance or spite. Intelligent people shouldn't waste their time with it. Keywords being, "intelligent people."

 

[bruto]

Most people in both parties are religious.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[BobTheCoward]

What does that have to do with anything?

Look at Newyorkguys post before this one. They question the sincerity of belief with no evidence and after a process of trying to gather information. That describes religious belief. we know the majority of people believe in something with no evidence. Pointing out there is no evidence doesn't make the case they don't believe it.

 

[llwyd]

The trouble is that the GOP is set up to seize power by legal means due to huge loopholes in election law which weren't closed because the expectation was that people would behave honourably - that expectation is false when it comes to the modern GOP

Well, this is probably more semantics but I doubt that any state election law would in text and in spirit really allow and approve of actual falsification of election results - even if corrupt and/or deranged officials would certify those false results based on spurious and anti-empirical claims. But even if by some bizarre twist of legal logic and semantics those falsified results would be seen as somehow "legal" it would still be a coup against democracy - and a more direct one can scarcely be imagined as this would amount to directly overthrowing an actual democratic election.

And it seems that this is precisely what the Republicans are preparing for in 2024. If it's as tight as last time, they might actually overthrow legitimate state returns come hell or high water. Hell would certainly come. It's one dangerous, lunatic and fanatic party.

 

[shemp]

trump's support has been and continues to be overwhelmingly white, especially among white males. Here's an explanation from Scientific American. It has to do with risk assessment on a very personal level.


Among the trump supporters I know, fear of Black and Hispanic Americans is very high. One man I know has a son who was one of the early organizers for the Tea Party in our area. His son flys the 13 star original American flag from the front of his house. I heard his son explain:


This is where they want to go. And for the first time in their lives they see a man -- trump -- they think might actually be able to pull it off.

If anyone should be disqualified from voting, it's people who think that people should be disqualified from voting!

 

[jnelso99]

And it seems that this is precisely what the Republicans are preparing for in 2024. If it's as tight as last time, they might actually overthrow legitimate state returns come hell or high water. Hell would certainly come. It's one dangerous, lunatic and fanatic party.

I'm sure the Democratic strategy of continuing to do nothing to address this issue will work out fine for them.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The belief that the results are fraudulent appears to be genuine? A belief based on no evidence? When even trump-sanctioned audits found nothing?

Bob you're derailing this discussion and wasting everyone's time with word games and nonsense. A belief that requires ignoring actual evidence is dishonest, either based on ignorance or spite. Intelligent people shouldn't waste their time with it. Keywords being, "intelligent people."

Belief doesn't have to be logical or based on reality.

 

[Stacyhs]

trump's support has been and continues to be overwhelmingly white, especially among white males. Here's an explanation from Scientific American. It has to do with risk assessment on a very personal level.


Among the trump supporters I know, fear of Black and Hispanic Americans is very high. One man I know has a son who was one of the early organizers for the Tea Party in our area. His son flys the 13 star original American flag from the front of his house. I heard his son explain:


This is where they want to go. And for the first time in their lives they see a man -- trump -- they think might actually be able to pull it off.

I agree with you. But at the same time, a large amount of white men who believe in their own race and gender superiority are really suffering from very low self-esteem and are fragile egos. Trump is a good example. Men who use derogatory names for women and claim the women like it fall into that category.

 

[Trebuchet]

Belief doesn't have to be logical or based on reality.

Pretty much the definition of religion, there.

 

[gnome]

The belief that the results are fraudulent appears to be genuine.

It shouldn't matter. If elections are to be meaningful, it should have to be overturned by a courtroom hearing evidence of fraud, not by a political body who maintain a majority via gerrymandered districts. That stops being an election and becomes just a power game.

We know the bloody results of turning the country into that.

 

[BobTheCoward]

It shouldn't matter. If elections are to be meaningful, it should have to be overturned by a courtroom hearing evidence of fraud, not by a political body who maintain a majority via gerrymandered districts. That stops being an election and becomes just a power game.

We know the bloody results of turning the country into that.

The US is a system where elected officials can just choose to take a course of action That is the system; it isn't a coup

 

[mgidm86]

Most people in both parties are religious.

Yes, those lawmakers are livin' like Jesus I tell ya (except for the non-Christian ones)!

They have to claim to be religious to get elected in this stupid country. A belief in nonsense is a requirement.

 

[Stacyhs]

Yes, those lawmakers are livin' like Jesus I tell ya (except for the non-Christian ones)!

They have to claim to be religious to get elected in this stupid country. A belief in nonsense is a requirement.

THAT! Most of them are about as truly religious as the rice Christians in China were.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Yes, those lawmakers are livin' like Jesus I tell ya (except for the non-Christian ones)!

They have to claim to be religious to get elected in this stupid country. A belief in nonsense is a requirement.

A lot of people think that about Obama, but I don't think I'm going to go broke betting a 60 year old Black male is religious.

 

[Lurch]

Yes, those lawmakers are livin' like Jesus I tell ya (except for the non-Christian ones)!

They have to claim to be religious to get elected in this stupid country. A belief in nonsense is a requirement.

It would make for an interesting study to determine in which nations a professed practice of religion is a requirement for the highest office or offices. I suspect the bulk would be classed theocracies or developing. Most of the developed, 'western' democracies certainly place much less emphasis on religion's role in the State, putting in practice one of Democracy's necessary tenets, that there be a clear separation.

The US is warped in this regard. I mean, the WH hosts 'prayer breakfasts'. And in a really twisted conjoining, Trump had that whackadoodle, Paula White, as the Administration's 'spiritual advisor.' A goddamned clown show, this backwards, primitive, and ultimately hypocritical adherence to a Sky Daddy they claim is shepherding the anointed Chosen among nations, to placate the decidedly non-Christian 'Christians that chafe for Gilead.