Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part III

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That is dated 1995. Can you show that that edict was not already enacted in 1993?

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Passengers ships had to have two of which at least one had to be automatically activated.

Where are you getting this information?

From Safety Legislation Shipboard Operations
By H I Lavery Google Books.

This was the position up to July 1991: one EPIRB on each side of the ship. (So much for Captain_Swoop's erroneous claim they had to be together.)

Notandum: the SOLAS regulations were updated November 1991 to take effect by 1 Aug 1993 to be 'float free' models.

This is mind-boggling. The image of text you showed said that each ship must carry "one manually activated [EPIRB] [...] on each side."

It does not say that one of them must be automatically activated. Do explain yourself.
 
There is a press conference running now, sharing information from the latest survey.

https://tv.aftonbladet.se/video/335...v-estonia-presenteras-paa-presstraff-i-tallin

The full report from Stockholm University can be read at http://su.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2:1611237&dswid=451


Quoting from the "Conclusions" in that report:

Conclusions
[...]

• Exposed bedrock is identified next to where the two major holes in MS Estonia’s hull are found along the northern side, approximately 69m and 89m from the stern respectively. From ocular inspection of its texture and visible parallel jointing, the bedrock appears to be igneous, likely granite or syenite. Denting in the hull is visible where it comes close to exposed bedrock in-between the two major holes.

[...]

• The sediment thickness model supports previous suggestions that MS Estonia is resting on firm seafloor midship but is poorly supported by soft sediments under the bow section.

[...]

• Using the flat port side as reference, together with the small one-degree trend with lower listing towards the bow, may indicate a gradual deformation of the hull, where the sides are pressed upward from the pressure of the shipwreck’s weight on the seafloor
• MS Estonia lies with the straight part of the fender line aligned ~102°, i.e. with the bow towards east-southeast, and has a trim of ~4.5°±0.3 relative to sea-level. This trim may cause the observed gradual increase of deformation of the shipwreck port side towards the bow.
• The measured listing in this work can be compared with the estimated listing of 120° during the ROV investigations by Rockwater A/S and Smit Tak. Although it has not been possible to verify the accuracy of the initial listing, it seems likely that the shipwreck has changed position over time.

[...]

• A mooring was deployed that measured water column currents at one position over five days. Although there are indications of a compass offset in the moored instrument, the data show strong bottom currents between about 70 and 80m depth, sometimes approaching 1m/s. The depth interval of these bottom currents coincides with a significant turbidity peak in the hydrological data, indicating resuspension and transport of sediments with the bottom currents.
• Although more data covering longer time periods and further analyses are needed to draw firm conclusions on dominating current regimes, the bserved strong bottom currents must be considered when assessing the stability of MS Estonia at her location.


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• A halocline is present between about 60 and 80m depth.
• The boundary between oxic and anoxic conditions in the water column coincided with the halocline, with anoxic conditions prevailing below ~75m depth during the survey.
• MS Estonia was therefore partly in contact with anoxic waters during the survey period. The depth of the halocline (and thus also the depth of the oxycline) can, however, vary significantly over time and oxygen conditions may change rapidly in response to Major Baltic inflows.
• The port aft section of MS Estonia is shallowest, partly rising to a depth of about 57m, implying that this part reaches into the oxic zone. The shipwreck is thus exposed to different conditions with respect to corrosion.
 
During the Q&A phase of the press conference, Jonas Bäckstrand say that based on the Stockholm University report, it's likely that the holes in the side are caused by the exposed bedrock that Estonia is resting on, but that there is no firm conclusion until more studies have been completed.

They are planning for laser and photography survey to create a detailed 3D model of the wreck. They will run a public tender for that, so it will take some time before the work can be completed.

They also point to the following web site as the place will publish videos, photos and reports: https://www.estonia1994.ee/en
 
The divers were outsourced by the Swedish government.

Rockwater-Smit-Tak were an American-Norwegian (or was it Dutch) firm who quoted the highest price when it came to tender. The divers had teams of three, some of whom were from the UK, which is why you can hear flat northern vowels…


Like Gilbert O’Sullivan’s?
 
Rene Arikas say on a question of the final report that (my paraphrasing) "today the final report is still valid, we do not have any ground to say that it is not valid, but we will probably be able to add more details".
 
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Thanks for these updates, Here_to_learn. It's really refreshing to have some new straightforward information in the thread that isn't trying to insinuate something sinister is going on.
 
• Exposed bedrock is identified next to where the two major holes in MS Estonia’s hull are found along the northern side, approximately 69m and 89m from the stern respectively. From ocular inspection of its texture and visible parallel jointing, the bedrock appears to be igneous, likely granite or syenite. Denting in the hull is visible where it comes close to exposed bedrock in-between the two major holes.

[...]

• The sediment thickness model supports previous suggestions that MS Estonia is resting on firm seafloor midship but is poorly supported by soft sediments under the bow section.

[...]

• Using the flat port side as reference, together with the small one-degree trend with lower listing towards the bow, may indicate a gradual deformation of the hull, where the sides are pressed upward from the pressure of the shipwreck’s weight on the seafloor
• MS Estonia lies with the straight part of the fender line aligned ~102°, i.e. with the bow towards east-southeast, and has a trim of ~4.5°±0.3 relative to sea-level. This trim may cause the observed gradual increase of deformation of the shipwreck port side towards the bow.
• The measured listing in this work can be compared with the estimated listing of 120° during the ROV investigations by Rockwater A/S and Smit Tak. Although it has not been possible to verify the accuracy of the initial listing, it seems likely that the shipwreck has changed position over time.

During the Q&A phase of the press conference, Jonas Bäckstrand say that based on the Stockholm University report, it's likely that the holes in the side are caused by the exposed bedrock that Estonia is resting on, but that there is no firm conclusion until more studies have been completed.

Just as we have been saying since the start.
 
Rene Arikas say on a question of the final report that (my paraphrasing) "today the final report is still valid, we do not have any ground to say that it is not valid, but we will probably be able to add more details".

As we have been saying since the start of the thread.
 
Nah, just add Jonas Bäckstrand to the list of conspirators and dismiss the report.

You mean Jonas Bäckstrand, the skipper of the submarine? That Jonas Bäckstrand? Or the Jonas Bäckstrand who planted the bomb on the bow? Or perhaps the Jonas Bäckstrand who sabotaged the EPIRB's?
 
You mean Jonas Bäckstrand, the skipper of the submarine? That Jonas Bäckstrand? Or the Jonas Bäckstrand who planted the bomb on the bow? Or perhaps the Jonas Bäckstrand who sabotaged the EPIRB's?

And who would ever believe a single word that this Arikas guy has said?
 
Where did I claim they had to be together?

It is usual to place them on each bridge wing.

I wrote, 'I am guessing the other buoy was on the other wing' and you immediately jumped down my throat to say,

"Both of the buoys were in containers on the top of the bridge wings."

In other words making out you were correcting me.

ETA: OK I see you followed up with their being on either side of the superstructure.
 
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Cue Vixen's completely new CT in 3...2...1....

[CT] Ha, "igneous" rock, ignominious rock is more like it. Russian Naval Spetsnaz, clearly, secretly and surreptitiously placed those rocks there to hide the actual cause of the holes, hydrofoil torpedos! [/CT]
 
That is utter bollocks from whatever backwater finnish rag you found. There is no manual tuning of EPIRBs. Why you glommed onto that notion is anyone's guess. Only a factory or authorised service centre can do that. It is not a user function or task. Your own documents that you cite actually tell you that. You are actually citing documents that flat out state you are wrong.

And that flat out tells me that you have not read them in the first place.

I note your ignorant and bigoted remark about HELSINGIN SANOMAT, like a cock of the walk who knows better than a quality broadsheet and a marine communications expert.
 
This is mind-boggling. The image of text you showed said that each ship must carry "one manually activated [EPIRB] [...] on each side."

It does not say that one of them must be automatically activated. Do explain yourself.

Did you not see:

Notandum: the SOLAS regulations were updated November 1991 to take effect by 1 Aug 1993 to be 'float free' models.
 
I wrote, 'I am guessing the other buoy was on the other wing' and you immediately jumped down my throat to say,

"Both of the buoys were in containers on the top of the bridge wings."

In other words making out you were correcting me.

ETA: OK I see you followed up with their being on either side of the superstructure.

Where did I make out I was 'correcting' you?
I was confirming your guess.
 
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